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So the 750 & ti are launched. Yippee, yay, etc etc. Cracking little cards, but still a bit poo for gaming and won't SLI.

Are there any rumours for the next ones? Either my Google-fu is weak or there's nothing out there yet.

Anyone heard any rumours?
 
Hopefully we'll hear something.

Indeed the GTX 750 Ti is impressive for its performance per watt, but its performance in general (and its price) sucks.

If they can scale that performance per watt up to a GTX 880 then we'll talk, but if not then...meh.
 
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I think if you look at Nvidias timeline -

GTX 480 GF104 March 2010
GTX 580 GF110 November 2010
GTX 680 GK104 March 2012
GTX 780 Gk110 May 2013
GTX 780ti November 2013

I think 20nm Maxwell will definitely drop soon, I just hope we get some further info at Nvidias conference.
 
I think if you look at Nvidias timeline -

GTX 480 GF104 March 2010
GTX 580 GF110 November 2010
GTX 680 GK104 March 2012
GTX 780 Gk110 May 2013
GTX 780ti November 2013

I think 20nm Maxwell will definitely drop soon, I just hope we get some further info at Nvidias conference.

Titan GK110 came before GTX 780.:D
 
I think if you look at Nvidias timeline -

GTX 480 GF104 March 2010
GTX 580 GF110 November 2010
GTX 680 GK104 March 2012
GTX 780 Gk110 May 2013
GTX 780ti November 2013

I think 20nm Maxwell will definitely drop soon, I just hope we get some further info at Nvidias conference.

The actual like for like cards there are the 480 through to the 780(though it would be Titan if it was on your list).

The 480 was also not the GF104 and the 680 wasn't it's replacement. 480 was GF100, and the 460 was the GF104.

You've actually got the 280gtx jun 2008, it's real replacement was the 480gtx March 2010, and it's real replacement Titan was Feb 2013... Realistically a 2 -3 year gap between real high end replacements and no reason to suspect a high end Maxwell any time soon.

It's extremely unlikely we'll get one on 20nm because the power characteristics of the process simply aren't good enough. For a true 80% faster 500-550mm^2 jump over Titan/780gtx, you'd be looking at something even more expensive on 20nm and using something like 30-40% more power.
 
The actual like for like cards there are the 480 through to the 780(though it would be Titan if it was on your list).

The 480 was also not the GF104 and the 680 wasn't it's replacement. 480 was GF100, and the 460 was the GF104.

You've actually got the 280gtx jun 2008, it's real replacement was the 480gtx March 2010, and it's real replacement Titan was Feb 2013... Realistically a 2 -3 year gap between real high end replacements and no reason to suspect a high end Maxwell any time soon.

It's extremely unlikely we'll get one on 20nm because the power characteristics of the process simply aren't good enough. For a true 80% faster 500-550mm^2 jump over Titan/780gtx, you'd be looking at something even more expensive on 20nm and using something like 30-40% more power.

Yes GTX480 was GF100 my mistake!

How is the Titan a replacement to GTX480 (Fermi). The 680 (Kepler) is the replacement in terms of microarchitecture so I was looking at the timescale between new microarchitectures rather than sheer performance increase.

I really can't see Kepler lasting into 2015..
 
Yes GTX480 was GF100 my mistake!

How is the Titan a replacement to GTX480 (Fermi). The 680 (Kepler) is the replacement in terms of microarchitecture so I was looking at the timescale between new microarchitectures rather than sheer performance increase.

I really can't see Kepler lasting into 2015..


By every measure Titan is the 480gtx replacement, they are both high end cards, high end bus, high die size, double the transistor count of the previous generation, etc, etc. This pattern is clear in AMD/Nvidia cards for the past well, couple decades.

In terms of microarchitecture, yes, no, architecture changes can really happen almost as fast as you want. But ultimately the industry is ruled by transistor count more than architecture, significantly so. So it's ultimately ruled by process nodes and power/transistor count available on new chips. Either way, there is still 2-3 years between real micro architectures. IT used to really be 18-24 months between real "next gen" products. As process nodes get harder to shrink and more expensive they are slowing down so 3 years will likely become more standard, and that can slip further over time :(

The main reason for the difference in which chip launched first was Nvidia had so many issues with the 480gtx, and previously the 280gtx in terms of yields that this was the first gen they tried to get the more midrange part ready for the start of the architecture. In reality if they'd aimed to do the 460gtx part before or at the same time as the 480gtx, it would likely have been available when the 5870 was, 6 months earlier, because it wouldn't have had as extreme yield/heat problems as the 480gtx. IE it was a planning issue that moved the 680gtx up to the front of the queue and gained 6 months.

The likely scenario is that the high end(anything over 350mm^2) is extremely unlikely to launch before 16nm which may may just be available for gpu's by mid 2015. At best we'll have 680/7970 replacements(300-350mm^2 cards) on 20nm which could happen this year but look to be at least 8 months out, but they'll be very high power for what would count as parts that likely won't be much if any faster than the current highest end parts. But if they do this, which costs millions and many engineers working on it, they'll have to do all that work again for 16nm which will be so much the better process for gpu's(due to the much bigger power reduction than 20nm). Ultimately waiting what will be 6-8 months more and skipping 20nm will be better for the consumer, save AMD/Nvidia a hell of a lot of work on 20nm for a process that is barely better and VERY expensive for a barely better process.
 
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