May Day for Nurses

Mr-White

Mr-White

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Don't you think some clubs made a poor contribution, chelsea, portsmouth, wigan and middleborough just to name a few ?

Arsenal – 3 players Theo Walcott, Thierry Henry, and Justin Hoyte
Aston Villa – 2 players Steven Davis, Ashley Young
Blackburn - 23 players including David Bentley and Morten Gamst Pedersen
Bolton - 22 players including Nicky Hunt and Kevin Nolan
Celtic – 1 player Neil Lennon
Charlton – 8 players Matt Holland, Luke Young, Hermann Hreidarsson, Ben Thatcher, Darren Ambrose, Darren Bent, Marcus Bent, Scott Carson
Chelsea - 0 players, donation from club to Mayday for Nurses Hardship fund
Everton - 8 players on board including Alan Stubbs
Fulham – 28 players, the entire first team squad Carlos Bocanegra, Michael Brown, Jimmy Bullard, Philippe Christanval, Simon Davies, Clint Dempsey, Papa Bouba Diop, Simon Elliott, Ahmad Elrich, Adam Federici, Heiðar Helguson, Claus Jensen, Collins John, Zat Knight, Jan Laštuvka, Brian McBride, Robert Milsom, Vincenzo Montella, Antti Niemi, Elliot Omozusi, Ian Pearce, Mark Pembridge, Franck Queudrue, Tomasz Radzinski, Liam Rosenior, Wayne Routledge, Alexey Smertin, Moritz Volz
Liverpool - 12 players Craig Bellamy, Jamie Carragher, Peter Crouch, Robbie Fowler, Steven Gerrard, Mark Gonzalez, Harry Kewell, Dirk Kuyt, Jermaine Pennant, Pepe Reina, John Arne Riise, Bolo Zenden
Man City – 6 players Michael Ball, Joey Barton, Richard Dunne, Georgios Samaras, Nicky Weaver and Micah Richards
Man Utd – 2 players Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs
Middlesborough - 0 players, manager Gareth Southgate on board
Newcastle - 12 players Titus Bramble, Celestine Babayaro, Pavel Srnicek, Nicky Butt, Stephen Carr, Damien Duff, Shay Given, Stephen Harper, James Milner, Scott Parker, Peter Ramage, Nolberto Solano
Portsmouth – 1 player David James
Rangers – 2 players Gavin Rae and Barry Ferguson
Reading – 27 players, the entire first team squad Mikkel Anderson, Alan Bennett, Andre Bikey, Oliver Bozanic, Aaron Brown, Bobby Convey, Ulises de la Cruz, Kevin Doyle, Michael Duberry, Brynjar Gunnarsson, Marcus Hahnemann, Greg Halford, John Halls, James Harper, Stephen Hunt, Ívar Ingimarsson, Seol Ki-Hyeon, Dave Kitson, Leroy Lita, Glen Little, Shane Long, Péter Máté, Graeme Murty, John Oster, Nicky Shorey, Steve Sidwell, Ibrahima Sonko
Sheffield – 23 players
Tottenham – 20 players including Paul Robinson and Jermaine Defoe
Watford – 28 players, the entire first team squad including Malky Mackay
West Ham - 26 players, the entire first team squad including Nigel Reo Coker
Wigan – 1 player Arjan de Zeeuw

Additional Supporters:
(Those whose playing days are over, and other footie type people who have also commited their cash and got our thanks.)
Steve McClaren, Aidy Boothroyd, Gareth Southgate, Terry Venables, Chris Coleman, Sir Alex Ferguson, Martin O'Neill, Sam Allardyce, Glenn Roeder, Gianluca Vialli, Freddy Shephard, Graeme le Saux, Jamie Redknapp, Andy Gray, Clive Tyldesley, Adrian Chiles, Geoff Shreeves, Tim Lovejoy, Ramon Vega, Terry Byrne, Alastair Campbell, Craig Cohon, Mohammed Al Fayed, Mike Forde, and the agents and advisors Sky Andrews, Tony Finnigan and Rob Segal.

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Vibez said:
I think they should stop moaning and get another job if they don't like it.
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Yeah cos everyone has the skill and talent to become a premiership footballer
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How about wanting to do something a bit more "worthwhile" with your life.
 
marl said:
Would you still say that if you were ill in hospital and needed attention?
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Yes I don't see why me being in hospital would change anything.

knip said:
Yeah cos everyone has the skill and talent to become a premiership footballer
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How about wanting to do something a bit more "worthwhile" with your life.
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I'm joining the RAF as a pilot, very worthwhile ty. I didn't suggest they should become premiership footballers, I know a lot about the nursing situation but my opinion is you don't/shouldn't become a nurse for the money...
 
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Vibez said:
I know a lot about the nursing situation but my opinion is you don't/shouldn't become a nurse for the money...
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Ok well lets put it this way then, maybe they want to do a job they will enjoy rather than earn pots of cash. My job isnt that well paid but I do it because I love it and not because I want to get lots of money.

Surely nurses should be rewarded and applauded for that?
 
daz said:
You might empathise with the nurses, seeing the work that they do.
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They work hard and the work is hard I'm not disputing that, I still don't think they should get big pay increases and extra days off.
 
knip said:
Ok well lets put it this way then, maybe they want to do a job they will enjoy rather than earn pots of cash. My job isnt that well paid but I do it because I love it and not because I want to get lots of money.

Surely nurses should be rewarded and applauded for that?
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Certainly :)

Unfortunately it seems there are a lot that are not happy with the rewards of saving lives and helping others and this thread is based on demands for pay increases and extra days off. NHS nurses are on a comfortable sum of money, people who don't join the military as an officer get far less, but like nursing you don't join for the money.
 
Vibez said:
They work hard and the work is hard I'm not disputing that, I still don't think they should get big pay increases and extra days off.
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Have you even read what this money is for?
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Show some decency before chipping in.

The money donated by footballers on May 13 2007 will make a significant difference to the lives of several thousand people. It will go into a nurses’ hardship fund, which nurses will be able to access. Given how tough life as a nurse nowadays is, with inadequate pay, high stress, large student loans and no job security, having access to a hardship fund may make the difference between a nurse being able to continue nursing and having to quit.
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daz said:
Have you even read what this money is for?
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Show some decency before chipping in.
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Yeah, if people want to donate then that's up to them, it's certainly not something I'd donate for. Nursing, like the private sector is and should be competitive, where only the most capable, highly trained candidates should get employed, it would be a waste of taxes if they employed everyone who wants to be. Unfortunately there are a limited number of spots but that's life, it seems to me a lot of nurses think it's their right to get a job with the NHS because they have paid for training. If you have took out a big student loan and can't get employed with the NHS, tough ****. They could always look to the private sector but something tells me if the NHS doesn't want them BUPA won't either.
 
There are now more nurses training than there are jobs for - if a nurse is really struggling that much, and not committed enough to just live with what she or he is given as a wage then they should move on to another job - there are plenty of people who would gladly replace that person.
 
There is a nursing shortage looming: over 100,000 nurses will retire within the next 10 years, yet the government is cutting the numbers of new recruits. This despite the fact that our population is ageing and we will need more, not less, nurses in the future.

By 2011 we will already be 14,000 nurses short. This will risk patients’ lives. Wards with the lowest nurse-to-patient ratios see one in four more deaths than wards with the highest ratios. (Quote)

Its not just about money!

To the negative posters, if Nurses were less dedicated, became militant and went on strike we'd soon see what their true value was!

That's one of the main reason's they're so underpaid and undervalued. Their dedication and commitment to patient care has led to them, and many others who work for the NHS, being exploited!

As for those who suggest they do something else, well, many good ones have left the profession, both to its and the patients detriment.
 
always amazes me this.

We pay people who can kick a football well millions of pounds a year.

We pay the people who treat US and look after us when we are sick pittance...

wheres the logic in that??

I'd rather the people who were going to help save my life were the ones being rewarded than those who simply have a talent for looking good and kicking a ball...

crazy crazy world.

(just as an FYI, as a nurse in the NHS your basically looking at a career topping 38k salary unles you branch out and leave nursing. As an average I would hazard a guess at 40 hour weeks at a minimum usually 50, a lot of that very unsociable working hours. Starting salary is just over 14k after all your training, you arn't telling me the vast majority who get into nursing dont do it for anything other than a want to help, why else would they with those hours and wages??)
 
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manic_man said:
We pay people who can kick a football well millions of pounds a year.
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We don't pay them, Football Clubs are private (or public) limited companys.

manic_man said:
wheres the logic in that??
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They are very skilled in a field of work where skilled workers are in demand so they are paid highly
 
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i was being slightly retorical and referring to the general state of society really.

Sorry I should have been more clear about that.

We find it acceptable that footballers get paid millions whilst arguably more important members of society get paid very near to minimum wage, you yourself have shown that by arguing the case for why nurses should be so badly paid.

Its all down to the dog eat dog thatcherite society we live in and its something i truly hate, not that the vast majority of people would agree with me :)
 
manic_man said:
i was being slightly retorical and referring to the general state of society really.

Sorry I should have been more clear about that.

We find it acceptable that footballers get paid millions whilst arguably more important members of society get paid very near to minimum wage, you yourself have shown that by arguing the case for why nurses should be so badly paid.

Its all down to the dog eat dog thatcherite society we live in and its something i truly hate, not that the vast majority of people would agree with me :)
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Well, i for one think you speak with a great deal of sense. As a society we have a strange set of warped set of values when we can pay entertainers hundreds of times what we pay to people whose work is truely essential!
 
You say argubly more important people,

but to be fair, sport is a BIG part of life for many people... life aint worth living without doing random stuff thats enjoyable (ie... not just walking around breathing).

I agree its a bit lame how so few of many teams donated... considering one days salary to them is NO SWEARING loads, but is like a years salary for many people, I guess it's their choice to donate. For all we know, those other players donate thousands to other charities which are arguably more needy.


and to that guy who's shocked and how much footballers get paid, are you also angry that the cast of Friends got a million each per episode in the later series?
They deserve all the money they make, they're providing entertainment which millions enjoy everyday. If a Football club brings in so much money, why shouldn't the reasons they make the money (the players) get their fair share?
 
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