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May go Nvidia advice please

opethdisciple said:
This makes no sense at all. What has happened here is, people are jumping on the vram band wagon and ruling out the 970, dispite it being a fine card.

The above makes no sense. You say a 970 will stutter due to the vram 'issue' and yet, in reality it has more Vram than the 780ti.

The other benefit the 970 will have over the 780ti is possibly more feature level DX12 support as well as longer driver optimisations.
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I think you have misread what I said.

I said most people blame stuttering issue of 970 hitting 3.5GB vram usage, but the issue with the 970 is not neccessorily be solely down to that...could be something to do with the dodgy 224+32 bit memory bus or the method use for accessing the memory.

Let's face it...970 is Nvidia weird experiment of grimming the card while trying to have look as though they have the amount memory as the competition that gone wrong.

My point is if AMD card was not a option, the 780Ti would most likely be a more reliable card than the 970, despite having slightly less memory.

Bottomline is in that price range, go for 290, 290x, or 290X 8GB or 780Ti 3GB, but one would do best to avoid the 970.
 
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Born_2_Kill_83 said:
The 8GB 290X is not needed if you game at 1080 which I presume you do? The only downside to the 290X and 780ti (which is a great price) is it's old tech now.
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Are you sure 8GB is not needed? At 1080P Shadow of Mordor uses more than 6GB on ultra textures and I'm sure Dying Light uses whatever it can get access to. The Witcher 3 will no doubt be a texture hungry monster too.
 
Marine-RX179 said:
I think you have misread what I said.

I said most people blame stuttering issue of 970 hitting 3.5GB vram usage, but the issue with the 970 is not neccessorily be solely down to that...could be something to do with the dodgy 224+32 bit memory bus or the method use for accessing the memory.

Let's face it...970 is Nvidia weird experiment of grimming the card while trying to have look as though they have the amount memory as the competition that gone wrong.

My point is if AMD card was not a option, the 780Ti would most likely be a more reliable card than the 970, despite having slightly less memory.

Bottomline is in that price range, go for 290, 290x, or 290X 8GB or 780Ti 3GB, but one would do best to avoid the 970.
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Maybe. I wasnt having a bash. Im just saying that the 970 has now earned it's self a bad rep, despite being a great card. The other thing is it's newer, so is a safer bet when it comes to DX12 support etc. Also should have longer life regarding driver support.

But games even at 1200p are using more than 3Gb of vram already.
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
I think you have misread what I said.

I said most people blame stuttering issue of 970 hitting 3.5GB vram usage, but the issue with the 970 is not neccessorily be solely down to that...could be something to do with the dodgy 224+32 bit memory bus or the method use for accessing the memory.

Let's face it...970 is Nvidia weird experiment of grimming the card while trying to have look as though they have the amount memory as the competition that gone wrong.

My point is if AMD card was not a option, the 780Ti would most likely be a more reliable card than the 970, despite having slightly less memory.

Bottomline is in that price range, go for 290, 290x, or 290X 8GB or 780Ti 3GB, but one would do best to avoid the 970.
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I had stutter on 970 and were nowhere near the 3.5gb. Id say deffo go for another 290x. 1 gig more than the 780ti and not gimped like the 970 with the same power as both
 
as i had nothing to lose i tried the "oven fix" just incase it was a cracked joint but to no avail :(
Thanks for the advice everybody as i need a gpu by tomorrow i will prob be getting another 290x otherwise it would have been the 780ti.
 
borley said:
Hi my MSI 290x gaming edition has gone to the GPU heaven in the sky, bought 2nd hand its deff died or dying.
Any way i want to order a card today for max £300, now for the last 4 years ive been amd i mainly play Battlefield games and the advantage of AMD is Mantle.
But i am prepared to go Nvida but need advice, on the 290x front i could get the same MSI card again as its much cheaper now £275 or the Tri-x £300 but can people give me advice either card like 970, vrm issues etc i need advice in the next couple of hours as i would like to order for delivery tomorrow.
Thanks
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AMD have officially abandoned Mantle so that argument is dead int he water.



The best way to understand the 970 RAM issue is to look at benchmarks, then you can see it is pretty much as Nvidia described. Nvidia could have made he card 3GB and you would be more likely to run into VRM limits. Instead they made it 4GB, with 0.5GB running slower. They could artificially limit the memory to 3.5GB but that would actually reduce performance. That 0.5GB of slower memory is still way faster than pulling data from the system memory so is effective in increasing performance. The only downside is it requires some additional driver behavior to optimize the memory layout better.
The issue is Nvidia should have made this more apparent to reviewers.
 
AMD have officially abandoned Mantle so that argument is dead int he water.

Its not dead in the water as i play BF games and they have MANTLE in them, i know it probablly won't be in future games but im playing these games now, but thanks for the input.
 
Was there no warranty left on the broken card?. I know you bought it second hand but if there was any warranty left, there is no harm to ask if the seller would help you out here.
 
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