May rejects points-based system for EU nationals

[scorza]

Considering a fair few people (on here and IRL) seem to keep conflating immigration from outside the EU, illegal immigration and refugees with leaving the EU I'd argue it's almost certainly not that clear cut...

I don't think there's any doubt that general concern about immigration was a strong factor in the Brexit vote. The new government will do well to acknowledge that in any international deals it does. What I do dispute is that Brexit voters were attached to a skills-based points system.

 

[Stretch]

All a points based system is is a method of allowing anyone with enough points to enter. It does not address limits based on demand which is what is required.

A more granular system will need to be developed which addresses the needs of the country, industry and allows the government of the day to determine who they wish to allow in and who to restrict for whatever reason. I believe that this approach is what Mrs May wishes to legislate.

No policy was fixed during the referendum. This is what is being produced now.

Such a system will be impossible to administer. How can the government possibly know what indervidual companies recruitment needs are?

Industry and government will be crippled under the weight of time consuming bureaucracy. The levels of irony are bordering on hilarity considering the whining form Leave over EU "red-tape".

 

[Quartz]

"Theresa May has rejected a points-based system for controlling EU migration, one of the key promises of Leave campaigners during the referendum."

She's a capitalist, isn't she? So, £100K deposit and £50K per annum. Per person. Personal cheques only. In advance. That should ensure we get the brightest and best. You want your spouse and children along? That'll be another £50K. Per year. Each. In advance.

Simples.

 

[Woden]

Then who will do all the minimum wage jobs?

 

[scorza]

Then who will do all the minimum wage jobs?

Maybe they won't be minimum wage jobs any more.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Then who will do all the minimum wage jobs?

The Brits currently paid to sit at home?

 

[Mr Jack]

Now the UK is out of the decision making it'll probably collapse even faster... Just in time for the British government to pick up the documents, cross out EU and write UK instead.

I realise you're joking but, actually, this is quite a good illustration. Even if we wanted to, we couldn't, without the big influence of the EU to stand beside us there's no way we'd negotiate a trade agreement on the same terms as TTIP. The US will want many more of their pet interests protected before signing a deal with the UK than they would to sign a deal with the EU.

 

[muon]

Again the main thing is being missed.

We need the ability to trade services without barriers.

Countries and blocs are usually far more restrictive on services which are usually subject to heavy internal regulation.

South Korea and China couldn't provide financial services to the UK.

You do not get that financial passport without being in the EEA.

 

[chroniclard]

I don't think there's any doubt that general concern about immigration was a strong factor in the Brexit vote. The new government will do well to acknowledge that in any international deals it does. What I do dispute is that Brexit voters were attached to a skills-based points system.

But Farage said so.

"Everybody who voted for Brexit voted effectively for controlling our borders [through] a sensible points-based system"

Tards listened to his drivel during the campaign, many tards believed him, many tards voted.

 

[kitch9]

Well if they did influence people's decisions, they did so more effectively than the lies and half-truths of the remain campaign Still waiting for that emergency budget...

Did I miss the war? I had a lie in this morning.

 

[malachi]

Maybe they won't be minimum wage jobs any more.

Offices are going to magically start cleaning themselves now first thing in the morning?

 

[MikeTheNative]

Offices are going to magically start cleaning themselves now first thing in the morning?

No, all the lazy benefit claimers will be lifted by the new sense of greatness and sovereignty that Britain has post EU and will sign up to the nearest minimum wage and 60 hour a week job.

 

[Mulder]

Tards listened to his drivel during the campaign, many tards believed him, many tards voted.

If only everyone in the UK was as smart as you.

 

[Stretch]

I don't think there's any doubt that general concern about immigration was a strong factor in the Brexit vote. The new government will do well to acknowledge that in any international deals it does. What I do dispute is that Brexit voters were attached to a skills-based points system.

The immigration issue is one that is almost exclusively bound to the narrative that low or no skilled workers could better themselves by denying foreign workers access to the UK labour market. It doesn't have to be points based, providing it only discriminates against foreign workers competing with people who feel hard done by. The definition of "hard done by" is of course completely arbitrary, but loosely includes those people referred too as "hard working families", or other meaningless political drivel.

The government has a difficult decision to make in who it alienate in its negotiations.

On the one hand there are established businesses and organisations (not least the government themselves) who argue their survival is bound to a high degree of flexible foreign labour, the EU who wish to maintain some degree of freedom of movement, and foreign governments like Japan who say they want "access to workforces with the necessary skills" post Brexit.

On the other side are a group of people in the UK who have shown little aptitude for filling the skills gap that would be left if migrant workers were to be curtailed.

It's a tricky one.

 

[scorza]

Offices are going to magically start cleaning themselves now first thing in the morning?

No, but maybe the people cleaning them are earning more than the minimum wage.

 

[Superficial]

Again the main thing is being missed.

We need the ability to trade services without barriers.

Countries and blocs are usually far more restrictive on services which are usually subject to heavy internal regulation.

South Korea and China couldn't provide financial services to the UK.

You do not get that financial passport without being in the EEA.

This is true but in 2018 an equivalence will be available:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e8b14d60-3a36-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html#axzz4JTzJSCDp

There are caveats though - for example it would be problematic if we were to remove the need to cap bankers bonuses. the Equivalence is part of the Mifid2 financial rule book updates set for 2018 and applies to current holders of passports like the UK.

 

[Arazi]

All a points based system is is a method of allowing anyone with enough points to enter. It does not address limits based on demand which is what is required.

A more granular system will need to be developed which addresses the needs of the country, industry and allows the government of the day to determine who they wish to allow in and who to restrict for whatever reason. I believe that this approach is what Mrs May wishes to legislate.

No policy was fixed during the referendum. This is what is being produced now.

Well said.

 

[chroniclard]

If only everyone in the UK was as smart as you.

Useful.

 

[bayo000]

No, but maybe the people cleaning them are earning more than the minimum wage.

Why should they be paid more? It's not like you need any skill to do that job. And even if they are then companies will raise they prices to cover the extra expenses and we'll end up where we are as cost of living will be higher.

 

[Rids]

No, but maybe the people cleaning them are earning more than the minimum wage.

Forgetting my stance on Brexit for the minute, is it likely we're going to see a sudden salary uplift at the lower end of the wage spectrum? Surely even if that is the case that means that companies will need to pass those additional costs onto customers, which means higher inflation, which means in real money terms people aren't going to be better off?