Mcaffe and symantec not allowed code to vista

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i have just read in the computeractive magazine that Microsoft have not allowed security companies (Mcaffe, symantec etc) the vital code it needs for their security software to work properly with Windows Vista. Mcaffe said that vista users would have to purchase Microsofts own firewall etc or vista user's will leave their computers open to attacks from hackers etc.

what do you guys think, should the security companies be allowed the code to vista or not?

(Mcaffe also took out a full page advert in the financial times warning users about the above incident)
 
Symantec and Adobe are taking MS to the European Court over similiar stuff. Somebody should really tell them that the products in question (Acrobat & whatever it is that Symantic make) are both the spawn of Satan himself and Symantec shouldn't be allowed to touch the Vista kernel as I believe they want.
 
Not true.... Period.

First of all, there is a lot of FUD circulating at present about Kernel Patch protection - and I have heard it said that that may primarily be for business reasons on behalf of certain vendors. You may find this article interesting in that context: Eweek . Worth noting is that 64-bit Vista is no different to 64-bit XP and 64-bit Windows Server 2003 with respect to kernel patching, although the issue has only been raised now.

I also find this article very balanced: The Guardian .
 
Microsoft said on Monday it had provided some essential data to dozens of security software firms on Monday so their products can work smoothly with the new Vista operating system.

Microsoft, previously punished by Brussels over competition issues, has promised the data to comply with European Union requirements that stem from a landmark 2004 decision that the U.S. company used its dominant Windows system to hurt rivals.

The codes are important for the software companies as they will allow them to suppress Microsoft's own security "pop-ups" if a PC user decides to buy alternative security software, thus keeping brands distinct from that of Microsoft.

Separately, Microsoft is still developing software essential to the companies so they can block "spyware" and other malicious software.

It will give Symantec, McAfee and other security firms access to the core, or "kernel," of the 64-bit version of Vista, the new Windows operating system due for release in January.

Software firms had access to the kernel in the past until Microsoft redesigned its software to block them.

Asked when Microsoft would deliver the data, chief executive Steve Ballmer told Reuters in Rome: "Today, Seattle time, not Rome time."

The codes were delivered a short time later, before the opening of business on the west coast, a spokesman for the company in Brussels said later.

Ballmer said it was up to the software companies to say if they were satisfied.

"We have our plan and we are executing it," he said.

The codes are part of changes Microsoft said last week it would make after the European Commission, the EU's top antitrust authority, said it had concerns that Microsoft's design of Vista could push some software makers out of the market.

The data in question are Application Program Interfaces, or APIs, which are in essence levers or buttons that other companies call upon so their software will run on Windows.

The APIs are expected to be made available on a Web site to which security software providers have exclusive access, a Brussels-based spokesman for Microsoft said.

KEEPING CLOSE EYE

Other software makers, such as Adobe, maker of the fixed document format (pdf) software, and Google, the search engine, were also worried about Vista because of the way Microsoft had tied in its own software with similar functions.

On Monday, the Commission said it was up to those companies to judge whether they were happy with the Vista changes.

"The Commission will keep a close eye on how Vista develops in the marketplace, and if necessary, if we receive complaints, we will look into those complaints," Commission spokesman Jonathan Todd told a regular briefing.

Microsoft's Ballmer said he believed the announced changes would satisfy the EU executive.

News Source: Yahoo News - Reuters
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061016/tc_nm/microsoft_ballmer_dc
 
Bit disappointed that Microsoft buckled over this.

If Mcafee or Symantec want access to the Kernel, they can build their own operating system and give themselves access.

Microsoft should have told the EU to get stuffed.
 
Tute said:
Bit disappointed that Microsoft buckled over this.

If Mcafee or Symantec want access to the Kernel, they can build their own operating system and give themselves access.

Microsoft should have told the EU to get stuffed.

I agree, I wonder if we will be allowed a way of blocking the API's, as it seems like a big security risk.
 
adobe are ****** with ms, becuase in the new word, you can save as pdf (afaik)

Well its worse than that. MS had tried to put forward an XPS ( XML Parsing thingy ) Utility included for free in Vista. Adobe objected, MS had to withdraw, so they are now proposing XPS as a new Portable Document Standard lol.

Also the article above refers to MS providing code to symantec etc to interface with the API , not patch/alter the kernel, which is still in the works
 
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