McCanns going too far?

M0t0r0la · 8 Jul 2007 at 01:03

cleanbluesky said:
Where do you work?

Did they leave a note explaining this? Was it signed 'the BNP'?

I'm a youth worker and the kids who assaulted him were shouting racist insults and telling him too f off home :mad:

Local Regulars at the youth club said that the group had been in the internet cafe before the assault occurred and had been seen on the BNP website and other white supremacy sites that county councils useless filter had obviously missed :rolleyes:

We also had to ban a group of regulars for singing white supremacy songs containing the vile N word! Sad thing is I have know these kids for years and they use to be lovely but one of the girls at the club told me that they had started hanging around with a older lad that was a massive BNP supporter!
Kids are extremely impressionable at this age and they clearly think this older guy is ‘kool’, and now sadly they are obviously starting to copy his ignorant and pathetic beliefs! Well not in our youth club their not :mad:

Lysander · 8 Jul 2007 at 01:05

M0t0r0la said:
the vile N word!

The same word that black people use sometimes when talking to each other?

M0t0r0la · 8 Jul 2007 at 01:26

Lysander said:
The same word that black people use sometimes when talking to each other?

If you cannot understand the fundamental difference between a black person calling another black person the N word and that of a bunch of skin head racists singing white supremacy songs containing the N word then I really do think it's WAY past your bedtime :rolleyes:

However just for the record we don’t allow ANYONE to use the N word in the youth club no matter who you are! Obviously we (the youth workers) know that the two scenarios above are completely different ie one is massively offensive the other not however the kids may not see this so we don’t want to send mixed signals!!

Back on topic: It upsets me how cold and un-empathetic humans can be which is clearly evident in this thread, people should be ashamed of some of the posts in this thread!
We are all human and we all make mistakes and I think it’s utterly pathetic and disgusting that a parents desperate search for their child is annoying and angering people to such a ridiculous level!

iCraig · 8 Jul 2007 at 01:53

[TW]Fox said:
It's not a mistake, is it? It's not like going out and accidently leaving the iron on, is it? It's not like accidently forgeting something, is it?

There was no mistake, it was a calculated DECISION on their part - they DECIDED that the risk of leaving their young childre on their own in a hotel room in a foreign country was an acceptable risk versus the reward of having a nice meal at a restaurant.

Show me where the mistake was? All I see is grossly negligent judgement.

But would they do the same thing again? I doubt it, they've learnt from their mistake with quite possibly the ultimate price.

They should never of done what they did, but their judgement was a mistake.

Azagoth · 8 Jul 2007 at 03:07

What's all this with saying the "N word" why not just say ****** and be done with it? If it's good enough for one racial group to use then it's OK for anyone else to use too!

After all we do live in a racially equal society, do we not? :rolleyes:

dirtydog · 8 Jul 2007 at 05:11

M0t0r0la said:
Back on topic: It upsets me how cold and un-empathetic humans can be which is clearly evident in this thread, people should be ashamed of some of the posts in this thread!
We are all human and we all make mistakes and I think it’s utterly pathetic and disgusting that a parents desperate search for their child is annoying and angering people to such a ridiculous level!

As Fox said a few posts ago, it was not a 'mistake', it was a calculated decision on their part, a gamble if you will.

Zip · 8 Jul 2007 at 07:13

All i have to say about this is.....

CHA CHING! $$$$

[TW]Fox · 8 Jul 2007 at 10:12

iCraig said:
But would they do the same thing again? I doubt it, they've learnt from their mistake with quite possibly the ultimate price.

They should never of done what they did, but their judgement was a mistake.

So if somebody driving a car pulls a dangerous overtake and causes a huge accident, killing people, he should escape punishment becuase his judgement was a mistake and it's almost certainly true that the harrowing experience he had will ensure he doesn't do it again?

M0t0r0la · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:16

dirtydog said:
As Fox said a few posts ago, it was not a 'mistake', it was a calculated decision on their part, a gamble if you will.

What and you honestly think that when they made the decision that the thought of kidnapping and paedophiles crossed their minds?!?!?
These are professional doctors, not Sun or Mail readers that are bombarded with paedophile hysteria!!
Naive most possibly, bad decision defiantly, totally responsible? Don't be ridiculous!!
What’s to say that even if they had employed a babysitter that the kid would not still have been abducted??
Thousands of kidnappings have happened in the past when parents/babysitters have been present in the house!!

dirtydog · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:18

M0t0r0la said:
What and you honestly think that when they made the decision that the thought of kidnapping and paedophiles crossed their minds?!?!?
These are professional doctors, not Sun or Mail readers that are bombarded with paedophile hysteria!!
Naive most possibly, bad decision defiantly, totally responsible? Don't be ridiculous!!

So you agree it was a bad DECISION and not a mistake. Thank you

cleanbluesky · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:19

[TW]Fox said:
So if somebody driving a car pulls a dangerous overtake and causes a huge accident, killing people, he should escape punishment becuase his judgement was a mistake and it's almost certainly true that the harrowing experience he had will ensure he doesn't do it again?

Have the McCann's committed a crime?

Personally I don't think anything that people want to see done to them can be any worse than what has already happened

Lysander · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:20

M0t0r0la said:
What and you honestly think that when they made the decision that the thought of kidnapping and paedophiles crossed their minds?!?!?
These are professional doctors, not Sun or Mail readers that are bombarded with paedophile hysteria!!
Naive most possibly, bad decision defiantly, totally responsible? Don't be ridiculous!!
What’s to say that even if they had employed a babysitter that the kid would not still have been abducted??
Thousands of kidnappings have happened in the past when parents/babysitters have been present in the house!!

They knew they were taking a risk when they left her there. They must have thought, "mmm shall we do this?" and then thought, "nah, it'll be fine, we're only across the road". That's why they went to check on her, because they were addressing the possibility that something could go wrong. If they hadn't gone to check on her it would have been even more worrying.

It doesn't matter if they're 'professional doctors' [as opposed to unprofessional doctors?] they still made a bad decision and they know it. Everyone knows it. I applaud your humanitarianism but cannot you at least see the other side of the argument?

dirtydog · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:21

cleanbluesky said:
Have the McCann's committed a crime?

There have been pages of debate on that very question - with no definitive answer but arguably yes they did.

iCraig · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:40

[TW]Fox said:
So if somebody driving a car pulls a dangerous overtake and causes a huge accident, killing people, he should escape punishment becuase his judgement was a mistake and it's almost certainly true that the harrowing experience he had will ensure he doesn't do it again?

That's not what I'm arguing. My point is that the MCanns made a mistake by leaving their daughter and other children alone in a hotel room. They no doubt regret their decision and if they could turn back the clock, I'm sure they wouldn't make the same mistake again.

Them escaping punishment isn't a direct argument here, because they haven't escaped from anything, seeing as they haven't broken the law once yet.

They're idiots and deserve to be stung over this - and they have. Their daughter.

Punishing them further will serve no useful purpose, to them, to their other children, nor to the general public.

Lysander · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:51

Some reactions about the withdrawal of the adverts.

However, the decision to pull the appeal has provoked a backlash from parents who contacted Sky News to say they supported the screening of the McCann family's appeal.

"If your child can understand Shrek, then your child should be aware of stranger danger," said Karen, from the United States.

"I find it quite naïve of any mother who thinks they need to shield their child from this awful truth. We live in a dangerous society, and unfortunately, stranger danger is a real fact of life."

Niamh Brennan, from Colchester, said: "Not advertising Madeleine's plight is pretending it does not happen. This is not Disneyland - this is the real world. You can explain sensitively to children."

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1273727,00.html

On Sunday, because it was raining, I took my daughter to the cinema. It was only her third trip: Shrek the Third was a U, and the critics all agreed on its overwhelming, stultifying blandness. Perfect. My daughter was sitting up straight, mouth full of popcorn, when the lights went down. As we watched the ads for computer games and people-carriers, I could feel her vaccuuming it all up: the dark, the volume, the extraordinary size of the pictures.

Then the screen was filled with a child’s face. There was absolutely nothing I could do. My daughter stopped eating as the story of Madeleine McCann’s abduction was relayed. The word “snatched” was used. My daughter looked up at me, astonished. “Who snatched that little girl?” she asked.

The Find Madeleine ad finished. An ad for a processed cheese began. Over the clamour, I did my best to explain. A little girl had got lost.

Everyone was looking for her. Her parents missed her very much. I said it was very sad and everybody hoped she would come home soon. Then Shrek started. It wasn’t scary at all. Afterwards, my daughter didn’t mention the little girl. But at midnight she appeared in our room, sobbing, saying that she’d had a nightmare (an unusual event). The following morning, she asked me: “Have the police found the little girl yet?”

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article2026302.ece

dirtydog · 8 Jul 2007 at 11:57

iCraig said:
That's not what I'm arguing. My point is that the MCanns made a mistake by leaving their daughter and other children alone in a hotel room. They no doubt regret their decision and if they could turn back the clock, I'm sure they wouldn't make the same mistake again.

Will you stop calling it a mistake when it was clearly a calculated decision on their part? They did not accidentally go out and leave their child alone. It was not a mistake. It was a deliberate action.

Slam62 · 8 Jul 2007 at 12:05

dirtydog said:
Will you stop calling it a mistake when it was clearly a calculated decision on their part? They did not accidentally go out and leave their child alone. It was not a mistake. It was a deliberate action.

Yes it was but it was stupid because they may have had an accident.

The chances of an abduction must be millions to one.

iCraig · 8 Jul 2007 at 12:27

dirtydog said:
Will you stop calling it a mistake when it was clearly a calculated decision on their part? They did not accidentally go out and leave their child alone. It was not a mistake. It was a deliberate action.

So do you think they'd do it again?

Would they now acknowledge it as a poor decision or would they stand by their original decision that they left Madeleine and the others in safety?

dirtydog · 8 Jul 2007 at 12:28

iCraig said:
So do you think they'd do it again?

Irrelevant, but yes, possibly.

Because...

Would they now acknowledge it as a poor decision or would they stand by their original decision that they left Madeleine and the others in safety?

In an interview they basically said they hadn't done anything wrong.

iCraig · 8 Jul 2007 at 12:33

dirtydog said:
Irrelevant, but yes, possibly.

Why would it be irrelevant? If they made a decision over something and they regret it, isn't that looking back at that decision as a mistake?

When I bought a PC game yesterday (Splinter Cell Double Agent

) I thought it was a good idea, looked fine. Got it home and played it and it's now un-installed. Worst game ever. I made a mistake buying it, no?

dirtydog said:
In an interview they basically said they hadn't done anything wrong.

If that's true then I cannot defend them over that. They did do wrong.

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