MCW30
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Sell loads of them.
As said very easy to fit and much easier than the fiddly passive Zalman ones you can get, just a few minutes to get one fitted and obviously do the performance job.
Cons are it obviously will add a bit of heat to your watercooling loop.
What you running?
As said very easy to fit and much easier than the fiddly passive Zalman ones you can get, just a few minutes to get one fitted and obviously do the performance job.
Cons are it obviously will add a bit of heat to your watercooling loop.
What you running?
it will be on a separate loop... I have a singe rad and an L20 sitting around in a box... and I though y not...
my abit p35 runs at around 48*C (summer in greece, room temp ~ 32*C)
hey pinkfloyd.. could give me an estimate of temp diff u saw on your system?
tnx
something else.. Don Yewen... I take it you work for ocers...
any chance of bringing back more swiftech products..?
i am trying to get a VGA stealth rev3 but I cant anywhere...
even newegg dont have it
my abit p35 runs at around 48*C (summer in greece, room temp ~ 32*C)
hey pinkfloyd.. could give me an estimate of temp diff u saw on your system?
tnx
something else.. Don Yewen... I take it you work for ocers...
any chance of bringing back more swiftech products..?
i am trying to get a VGA stealth rev3 but I cant anywhere...
even newegg dont have it
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Yeh I do work for OcUK.
Swiftech are a pain, never have what I want in stock in the quanitity I would like.
Is the VGA block the 8800 one? If it is then "technically" I can get them unless my suppliers are lying to me.
Added you to msn grs link
Swiftech are a pain, never have what I want in stock in the quanitity I would like.
Is the VGA block the 8800 one? If it is then "technically" I can get them unless my suppliers are lying to me.
Added you to msn grs link
hey tnx...
altough my msn doesn't really work...
don't know y to be honest.
i have someone comming form New York next thursday.. but not even swiftech's store page works. :O
a pain they are indeed
aa!!! and yes.. card is an 8800gtx
altough my msn doesn't really work...
don't know y to be honest.i have someone comming form New York next thursday.. but not even swiftech's store page works. :O
a pain they are indeed
aa!!! and yes.. card is an 8800gtx
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wow now that is what I call service 
lol
just make sure you get rev.3
something on the downside is that I am currently in Greece.
I'll be up in Aberdeen mid September, so it may take a while before my order gets through..
but yeah get some if you can... I am sure other ppl would want them as it is a very good product.. just hope the price is competitive to EK waterblocks, as most ppl tend to choose them for maximum cooling.
imo they are kinda lame... I mean who are they kidding with that wave core design..
anyways... this is just an opinion.
good luck with swiftech... hope all turns out well
loljust make sure you get rev.3
something on the downside is that I am currently in Greece.
I'll be up in Aberdeen mid September, so it may take a while before my order gets through..
but yeah get some if you can... I am sure other ppl would want them as it is a very good product.. just hope the price is competitive to EK waterblocks, as most ppl tend to choose them for maximum cooling.
imo they are kinda lame... I mean who are they kidding with that wave core design..
anyways... this is just an opinion.
good luck with swiftech... hope all turns out well
The new Supreme is probably the best CPU waterblock on the market. And everyone buys the graphics card blocks because they are the best, and prettiest, full cover blocks on the market.
Because EK actually make their own blocks themselves (and I do mean they actually make them themselves) they can respond very quickly to market changes and customer feedback.
When the Supreme was launched it was criticised for requiring too high a flow rate, so they've modded it into a chambered design that creates it's own pressure and the performance increase is enormous. And you can get that just by buying the latest top (a few Euro).
Swiftech have nearly destroyed their previously good reputation by outsourcing production to China and their quality seems to have slipped dramatically. Look at the CompactDrive unit - Pretty much all of them leak within the first year of use. The Apogee GTX has taken out several perfectly good watercooled systems because Swiftech either specified the wrong plating standard, or the blocks haven't been plated according to the standard and they haven't actually launched a decent product in some time.
They use a non-standard threading for almost everything they make so you have to use those gigantic Noryl barbs and while the MCW30 is a perfectly decent waterblock, it's just exactly that - it's an empty chamber under a piece of acetal. At least with the wave design EK are trying to increase the surface area and give the product a bit of visual interest if you like the acrylic finish (which I don't).
In general Swiftech aren't actually competitive - whose CPU block would you buy if you had to right now? Not Swiftech's that's for sure.
EK, TFC, XSPC and D-Tek are all bringing quality, innovative, high-performance, products to the market right now, and I'd have to say that Swiftech look like also-rans at the moment.
ok.. first of all lets make something clear...
I have nothing against EK waterblocks.... I like them pretty much myself as well.
as about all the things you 've stated about swiftech and EK production lines... I am with you on this as well.
now... to make my case...
1.About the Supreme being the best... well they are other equally if not better blocks out there. Enzotech is offering a very good performance and a very solid build.
I am personally using the D-tek and couldn't be happier (the 3rd block I am trying)
now... my complains was about the gfx blocks...
if EK was offering something similar to their cpu block base design then no problem..
but come on... to believe that these 4 waves in the middle actually offer much surface area.. well... I am sorry but that is like underestimating my inteligence.
since gpus give out more heat than the cpu.. how can you accept a lock that is has by far an inferior design to a cpu block.
I will admit that having a full surfave block that cover core,mems and volt regulators is the best. but I am sorry EK's block is a pure commercial product imo.
take a moment to think of what I've said... and you'll see that I am right on this.
I have nothing against EK waterblocks.... I like them pretty much myself as well.
as about all the things you 've stated about swiftech and EK production lines... I am with you on this as well.
now... to make my case...
1.About the Supreme being the best... well they are other equally if not better blocks out there. Enzotech is offering a very good performance and a very solid build.
I am personally using the D-tek and couldn't be happier (the 3rd block I am trying)
now... my complains was about the gfx blocks...
if EK was offering something similar to their cpu block base design then no problem..
but come on... to believe that these 4 waves in the middle actually offer much surface area.. well... I am sorry but that is like underestimating my inteligence.
since gpus give out more heat than the cpu.. how can you accept a lock that is has by far an inferior design to a cpu block.
I will admit that having a full surfave block that cover core,mems and volt regulators is the best. but I am sorry EK's block is a pure commercial product imo.
take a moment to think of what I've said... and you'll see that I am right on this.
I think the thing is that I've tried pretty much all of them. Not quite literally ALL of them - I haven't tried the Enzotech for instance. All the water-cooling specialists in the UK know me because I will, quite literally, try anything once. I've got AquaComputer Cuplex XT, D-Tek FuZion I & II with and without nozzles, Swiftech (including an original Cathar block), Danger-den, EK Wave, EK Supreme Rev 1 & 2, Full cover graphics card blocks, MIPS blocks, Alphacool blocks, Innovatek blocks (you can't sell those as they're mainly junk) - I even have some Koolance stuff.
So when I say I think the new EK Supreme is the best block on the market, I'm speaking from a position of authority on this. Believe me! If the Enzotech is better, I'll use that instead, as as soon as I've finished this, I'll go and order one
As it just so happens I have an EK8800 GT(x/s) FC block right here.
The waved area over the GPU measures 45mm by 30mm and the waves add approx. 1cm extra to the length of metal (I used a piece of string and measured it - it's either 9mm or 10mm depending on slack). The 6 waves are exactly 5mm deep and they are 2mm apart. So there are 7 channels all 0.2 x 5.5 x 0.5cm = 0.5 square cm per channel or 3.5 square centimeteres of heat area. so by waving it he gets an extra 25% surface area.
As this was the graphics card in the machine with the corroded Swiftech CPU block, the acid water has left marks on the acetal top and you can clearly see the flow pattern through the block - by waving the fins he clearly slows down the water flow (more deposits in slower moving areas) which will give slightly better heat transfer. You also have to bear in mind that these things have to fit into a 2-slot gap and be compatible with SLi, allow for decent pipe work routing etc. etc. Look at the flow pattern - the amount of water in contact with the block at any one time is massive.
I think Eddy would be the first to admit he makes the best things he can make on his CNC machine rather than the best things possible but you are looking at 400g of copper in that block, and a huge water capacity for a water block, and all these things make them the best performing water-blocks overall. That's why they sell. And, as form follows function, they look great too.
As I hope you appreciate, I've thought about what you have said, and rebutted your arguments pretty thoroughly. I'm open to be be convinced though, if you have anything more than opinions to back up your conclusions.
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holds my NB on a Maximus x38 to 35c loaded @ 1.53v
it's simple and does it's job well, no cons i can think of.
Marcsay.. tnx for that bit of info... it's exactly what I needed.
Wja... Iam afraid I am still gonna disagree..
now I don't know what you are goingto accept as proof but I am afraid the only thing I have to offer you is my thoughts.. ten it is a]up toyou touseyour intelect and draw your conclussions....
ok here we go...:
firstly let me ask you... from all the things you've read about blocks...
...is it better to spray the water directly ontop of thecter of the core..?
to my knowlede.. Yes!!!
is the cooling efected by the spray pressure...? again I would say Yes!!!
now you say that this is a big 400gr of coper being subjected toquite a big amount of water... (high volume capacity)
use your imagination a bit and picture this....
use the wave pattern allong each side.... left and right.. ontop of the memories location,
and use something like a diamond shaped verticaly orientated center mass for the core.
put the inlet directly on top of it... and the outlet top side(prettymuch where it s now)
wouldn't that be something much better?
To conclude... All Iam really saying is to implement to cpu block technology to the gfx block design..
I am sorry I cant draw you a picture but I dont even have a computer running at the moment...(desided to respray the interiorso it's all in pieces)
what do you say...?
since there is nothing like that out there... I made the decission to sacrifice the memory cooling(passive air) for better core cooling.
let me put it this way.... if there was a square copper block... with 6 x2mm thick waves... would you buy it for your cpu... and furthermore... would you try to convince me that it's the best block ot there???? I seriously doubt it.
respectfully yours
Greg
Wja... Iam afraid I am still gonna disagree..
now I don't know what you are goingto accept as proof but I am afraid the only thing I have to offer you is my thoughts.. ten it is a]up toyou touseyour intelect and draw your conclussions....
ok here we go...:
firstly let me ask you... from all the things you've read about blocks...
...is it better to spray the water directly ontop of thecter of the core..?
to my knowlede.. Yes!!!
is the cooling efected by the spray pressure...? again I would say Yes!!!
now you say that this is a big 400gr of coper being subjected toquite a big amount of water... (high volume capacity)
use your imagination a bit and picture this....
use the wave pattern allong each side.... left and right.. ontop of the memories location,
and use something like a diamond shaped verticaly orientated center mass for the core.
put the inlet directly on top of it... and the outlet top side(prettymuch where it s now)
wouldn't that be something much better?
To conclude... All Iam really saying is to implement to cpu block technology to the gfx block design..
I am sorry I cant draw you a picture but I dont even have a computer running at the moment...(desided to respray the interiorso it's all in pieces)
what do you say...?
since there is nothing like that out there... I made the decission to sacrifice the memory cooling(passive air) for better core cooling.
let me put it this way.... if there was a square copper block... with 6 x2mm thick waves... would you buy it for your cpu... and furthermore... would you try to convince me that it's the best block ot there???? I seriously doubt it.
respectfully yours
Greg
Yes, I know what you're saying - you want a top-entry high-speed jet, the problem you have is that there isn't adequate clearance between the cards to do it, otherwise they would all be doing it.
I don't disagree that would be better, and when somone makes such a block I'm sure I'll buy it (Enzotech on it's way btw - it looks a bit like a Swiftech with circles inside to me), but in the meanwhile we have what's currently available. I was simply rebutting your statement that the EK wave design was there for looks only. They're not perfect, but the design is good, and it's cooling quite literally thousands of graphics cards as we discuss this. I seriously don't think there is a significantly better design out there - and it's certainly not exemplified by the MCW30 which is just an empty chamber.
I don't disagree that would be better, and when somone makes such a block I'm sure I'll buy it (Enzotech on it's way btw - it looks a bit like a Swiftech with circles inside to me), but in the meanwhile we have what's currently available. I was simply rebutting your statement that the EK wave design was there for looks only. They're not perfect, but the design is good, and it's cooling quite literally thousands of graphics cards as we discuss this. I seriously don't think there is a significantly better design out there - and it's certainly not exemplified by the MCW30 which is just an empty chamber.
hey Wja I dont know if you are still subscribed to this thread... is just wanted to say one last thing...
MCW30 is a Joke!!!!!!
you did mentions that is was a plastic cap over a copper base... but I thought you were just being ironic... I mean they are all like that...
but when I finally got it into my hands and opened it... Jesus!!!!
this is just taking the ****... who on earth do they think they are kidding???
imagine that i prefered to use the XSPC vga block instead!!!!
I amjust left speachless over swiftech's block!!!
what a dissapointment!!!
First chance I get I am ordering the Enzotech (chipset version).
How about you.. did you order yours?
did you have the chance to try it out?
any good?
MCW30 is a Joke!!!!!!
you did mentions that is was a plastic cap over a copper base... but I thought you were just being ironic... I mean they are all like that...
but when I finally got it into my hands and opened it... Jesus!!!!
this is just taking the ****... who on earth do they think they are kidding???
imagine that i prefered to use the XSPC vga block instead!!!!
I amjust left speachless over swiftech's block!!!
what a dissapointment!!!
First chance I get I am ordering the Enzotech (chipset version).
How about you.. did you order yours?
did you have the chance to try it out?
any good?
Actually - I don't really think the base of the block matters in a chipset block, it's not actually moving that much heat away anyway - if it needed active cooling, the chipset cooler would have a fan on it, no? But the basic EK one does have 50% more surface area than the MCW-30, and I still use the MCW30, because it works fine, it's a really easy install and it's cheap.
The Enzotech should be here tomorrow and it really does look like a pimped Swiftech block from what I can see. It'll be interesting to see how it performs. All those holes on the way out look like they will be very restrictive, but the thermometers tell all.
cool.. looking forward for your measurements
as about the chipset I guess it would have a fan if it needed it.
still.. it went down to 40 from 48 and that's with the fan barely spinning.
I remoded my whole case... so I thought of adding water to the mb to be the best and cheapest upgrade I can do.
next is getting something for my gfx...
either a big passive heatsink or a full block... will see what my wallet will deside.
being summer and all.. priorities have changed.
I'll post some pics tonight.
as about the chipset I guess it would have a fan if it needed it.
still.. it went down to 40 from 48 and that's with the fan barely spinning.
I remoded my whole case... so I thought of adding water to the mb to be the best and cheapest upgrade I can do.
next is getting something for my gfx...
either a big passive heatsink or a full block... will see what my wallet will deside.
being summer and all.. priorities have changed.
I'll post some pics tonight.
lol hey i did say it's simple and does it's job which it does.
NB's don't put out much heat in reality, if it troubles you in your sleep that it doesn't have a fancy wavy baseplate you had better hand out some more money.
personally i'd rather spend it on something that makes a difference performance wise.
I guess you are right....
here is where we could say... "what you pay is what you get" lol
anyways... here are some pics as I promised.
I'll start a thread in case central as well for posting some full case shots
and a full cover...
here is where we could say... "what you pay is what you get" lol
anyways... here are some pics as I promised.
I'll start a thread in case central as well for posting some full case shots
and a full cover...