Me Again...I Can't Decide on a Car..

Not sure what year or miles yours had on it, but my 2011 DCT does considerably better than 21mpg. If I was doing those miles at that speed I would expect to return around 28/30mpg.

I average between 25/27 per tank on a 60 mile daily commute of mainly A/B roads with mixed 40 and NSL. A friend used to do the same trip in his 56 330i SE and used to get around 33/35 from what I recall.

With personal usage I still see 23mpg.

Jack

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Your DCT has 1 extra gear than my manual and the official figures from BMW have it around 3mpg higher on average than the manual. Plus I have an upgraded exhaust on mine, which may or may not make a difference.
 
Threw the ball out of the park today. Went for a Honda Civic EX.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classif...stcode/rg13dp/keywords/ex/radius/40?logcode=p

Decided that any car I get is going to depreciate loads with the amount of miles I do, so I might as well go for something cheap, reliable and has enough comfort to get me to and from work. Will keep this most likely for the foreseeable future and look at running a second car alongside it maybe in a years time.

Shook on £8680 with 2 years Honda warranty inc AA roadside assistance, 2 new tyres and a few things tidied up inside the car. Not a bad deal for a main dealer EX.
 
a lot of money for the car and quite a departure given what you were looking at but I guess you're paying for the dealer services and warranty. Mine (57 ex 75k now) has been great so far and with the map feels significantly more flexible than the standard car. Given you're coming from something vastly more powerful I'm not sure id bother with this though. I'll find it hard to go back to a car with lower spec than the ex civic now

I dont really mind though. I have thought a lot about it and as long as it will carry my mountain bike, get me good, reliable mpg to and from work, thats all I really want. The rest of the money is going on the bank until the end of the year after my wedding. My fiancée can learn how to drive in it and its a good all round car. Plus my insurance is ridiculous now that I live in a town centre, literally doubled for my M3.
I think its not a bad price considering its from a main dealer. Most other EX spec Civics close by are a similar price. I found one in Slough that was newer and cheaper, but it was a dog.
 
I give it a month at the most. :D

To just think for a second, you could have been driving around in something like this: :p

I think the XF is the only current Jag I like (not including the XKR, which wasnt an option).

What is that Jag? It looks incredible

Also Lol at the civic

I know, massive LOLZ at putting £12k into my bank, saving £250 a month in fuel, £300 a year in tax, £800 on insurance; not to mention tyres, servicing and consumables. It will do its job.
 
[TW]Fox;21651740 said:
I'm not sure I agree. They are not particularly economical nor particularly comfortable or even particually nicely finished on the inside. Its done now but I can't imagine choosing a 5 year old £9k Civic for a 20k a year commute. The fact it's cost so much in the first place for a 5 year old car is surely wiping out some of the potential savings? Just seems like an odd buy.

I think I'd genuinelly rather drive something like a £5-7k used Jetta 1.9 TDI than a Civic 2.2. If you are going to drive something cheap and cheerful to save money at least make sure it actually IS cheap and cheerful.

I took it out for an hour, enjoyed the drive, moreso than the VAG cars I'd driven. The engine is the best diesel engine I've driven in that class too.
I was looking at Golfs, Jetta's etc but the Civic felt better.
 
[TW]Fox;21651788 said:
But why such an expensive one? Does £9000 for a 5 year old 50k mile Focus class hatchback not strike as you as a massive ripoff?

Yes the diesel engine is good to drive and revs well for a diesel but the tradeoff here is that whilst not driving like a VAG 1.9 TDI neither does it deliver the fuel economy of one.

It will get above 50mpg on a steady run. If you compare it to other Civics within my radius of a similar spec it is a reasonable price. Its not a massive rip or, nor is it a huge bargain. Its reliable, well built IMO, comfortable, quiet (for a diesel), cheap to insure, tax etc.

EDIT - it was £8600.
 
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[TW]Fox;21651856 said:
It's cheap to tax?

Ah, sorted then :)

Given that a 2008 BMW 330i will 'get above 43mpg on a steady run' (Not an alternative suggestion merely an example to highlight how thoroughly underwhelming 50mpg on a steady run is for a small diesel hatch) forgive me for considering that the fact you need a 'steady run' to get over 50mpg in a Civic diesel is simply confirmation of my point :p

I dont want a BMW 330i or anything similar. I want something thats cheap to run, a 330i isn't cheap to run. Neither is a Jag, as much as I'd like an XF. You selectively missed my other points too about insurance, running costs, getting my gf insured on it so she can learn to drive etc.
Coming from a car that won't do better than 25mpg, high 50's will be welcomed.
 
[TW]Fox;21651954 said:
So why did you get us to spend our time providing you with advice and opinions on cars up to and including 300bhp 335's when what you actually wanted was cheap road tax and low insurance?

Your opening post just TWO days ago linked to an £18,000 BMW 535.

Now you are saying 'I dont want something like a BMW! I want cheap tax!'.

2 days ago you were asking about near 300bhp cars. Now you are getting frustrated that we don't appear to understand the importance you placed on cheap road tax.

I apologise for wasting your time; it was my intent to go for the 335d or something similar, however I had an epiphany of sorts and realised I'd be making a mistake if I spent the same amount of money on another car for my commute, especially with so many other factors influencing the purchase. Now I have to phone up the BMW/Jag/Alfa/etc garages to tell them I'm not interested anymore.

Jerk reaction followed by purchase justification syndrome imho.

Good one; I have no one to justify my purchase to (except the gf), least of all an internet forum.
 
[TW]Fox;21652053 said:
He means self justification, not to the internet.

Anyway, done now. Enjoy it :)

Well obviously you have to justify every purchase you make, and at the end of the day if it turns out to be the wrong decision, which I believe it isn't, I can sell the car and move on. I don't think that will happen though.


Don't you mean "grin and bear it"? :p
 
Was the Civic a much better drive than the alfa?

Intrested to hear your thoughts on it rather than a quick 1 liner :P

Based on the limited driving in both so far, the Alfa was great to look at and had a very nice interior, but the seats were really uncomfortable; the lumbar support was not supportive enough for me. I found it difficult to drive in town traffic compared to the Civic, which was very easy. The Blue & Me system in the Alfa was a PITA. Plus the Alfa already had bubbling in some areas of the paint work!
 
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