Megson sacked (Sheff Wednesday, Tummy's team)
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I don't know much about football beyond the Premier League - how come this is quite a shock?
They're 3rd in League One and beat Sheff Utd who are 2nd at the weekend, they must have a good manager lined up to sack him at this stage.
How so? Over a 100 years of history, and according to Wikipedia he has the second/third highest win percentage of managers going as far back as 1891. We're also third in the league only 3 points behind Sheffield United.
If he's so dire, how come we were doing well under him? We just lost 4 games in a row, sure, but we are still third and won a huge game last sunday.
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Not really he was turning round a team that went down season before last and finished 15th last season, plus a derby day win on sunday makes this another big shock.
I don't see how Mandaric can say automatics is a realistic guarantee (much like Huddersfield a few weeks ago) as Charlton have all but secured that top spot, so there is only one space for what looks like 4 teams to fight over!
Out of United, Wednesday, Huddersfield and MK Dons at least two of them are going to be disappointed (and one beaten by Stevenage who, by the laws of football, have to get promoted again or fall like a stone) so there is going to be even more unrest and stupid l1 decisions
Planning is the only way out of league 1, not shouting at the players that in theory they must be good enough.
Sheffielder here [though neither Owls nor Blades fan], and I agree completely.
Apparently Dave Jones is the name being mentioned. Wouldn't have thought there was enough time left to get all the loan players he usually relies upon.
And I've just read on BBC News front page that he's died, too, which would make automatic promotion doubly difficult.
I wasn't his biggest fan when he was announced but he's changed my opinion on himself.
That's the guy from the monkees...
We all don't that's why we hoped you might??
Right.
I'm not sure;
First off results, we might be third but the teams we're fighting with for the promotion places / play off places have games in hand and are close on points, so with the poor run of form prior to the Steel City game we were in terrible form and looked like self destructing.
Footballing reasons, Megson favours a more route one style approach. I wasn't a big fan when he came in, but we haven't really been *that* bad in terms of play. The Steel City game was certainly the worst this season. We've worked the channels a lot and have been very direct but we've played a lot of football on the floor too, we look better when playing through midfield and especially given the form of Chris Lines and Ben Marshal (until he left) JJ it's been just better playing football on the floor. I don't really see that as a reason to get rid of a manager. The football on the whole, was pretty good. (Which surprised me)
I know Megson reported Mandric to the League Managers Association over basically tapping up other managers and talking to Dave Jones prior to his departure. I'd probably call that a big ~issue in the professional relationship. They however got on quite well publicly.
I'm not too sure, I think Mandric was expecting a greater return considering us compared to the other teams in the League.
Funnily enough, the worst team / performance I've seen at H'borogh this season was Charlton and the best performers have been the sides slightly lower down who've come and really given it a go (playing good football too) and they've been ~enjoyable games with good football.
I can only think it's down to a lack of progress in the League overall.
Everyone is keeping very quiet over it.
I'm not sure;
First off results, we might be third but the teams we're fighting with for the promotion places / play off places have games in hand and are close on points, so with the poor run of form prior to the Steel City game we were in terrible form and looked like self destructing.
Footballing reasons, Megson favours a more route one style approach. I wasn't a big fan when he came in, but we haven't really been *that* bad in terms of play. The Steel City game was certainly the worst this season. We've worked the channels a lot and have been very direct but we've played a lot of football on the floor too, we look better when playing through midfield and especially given the form of Chris Lines and Ben Marshal (until he left) JJ it's been just better playing football on the floor. I don't really see that as a reason to get rid of a manager. The football on the whole, was pretty good. (Which surprised me)
I know Megson reported Mandric to the League Managers Association over basically tapping up other managers and talking to Dave Jones prior to his departure. I'd probably call that a big ~issue in the professional relationship. They however got on quite well publicly.
I'm not too sure, I think Mandric was expecting a greater return considering us compared to the other teams in the League.
Funnily enough, the worst team / performance I've seen at H'borogh this season was Charlton and the best performers have been the sides slightly lower down who've come and really given it a go (playing good football too) and they've been ~enjoyable games with good football.
I can only think it's down to a lack of progress in the League overall.
Everyone is keeping very quiet over it.
Sounds fishy! Lack of progress shouldn't be a justifiable reason as the old gap of prem teams (that used to be mid table champ) has started to roll onto league one, so (in my eyes) there are 4 or 5 teams that should be fine in the champ messing about in league one with only 3 promotion places making promotion almost unrealistic to guarantee.
Either way it's as mad as the sacking of Huddersfield's manager a few weeks ago as there is very little long term success from an appointment just for the run in.
Either way it's as mad as the sacking of Huddersfield's manager a few weeks ago as there is very little long term success from an appointment just for the run in.
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Yet we still won. That's why we're runaway leaders.
This is a strange sacking though. Almost as strange as Lee Clark's.
Funny game the Charlton game, had it not being for that one good set piece they'd have come away with nothing. Terrible performance / football from the champions. Wouldn't want to pay to see that week in week out, awful. Wednesday weren't at their best and wasted too many chances.
Similar could be said about West Ham, They looked awful against us in the FA Cup and apparently a West Ham supporting friend says they play like that in the Championship with better players and it works.
The two leaders in the Championship and League One are playing terrible football and winning games. It's odd.
Clarke, while having an amazing record and not losing didn't progress the club enough did he? That's what the fans seem to be saying.
Megson, not sure about still. I'm still processing it to be honest.
Similar could be said about West Ham, They looked awful against us in the FA Cup and apparently a West Ham supporting friend says they play like that in the Championship with better players and it works.
The two leaders in the Championship and League One are playing terrible football and winning games. It's odd.
Clarke, while having an amazing record and not losing didn't progress the club enough did he? That's what the fans seem to be saying.
Megson, not sure about still. I'm still processing it to be honest.
Now you mention it, I did wonder why the article glossed over his time at Southampton.
As Tummy's pointed out, prior to the derby game they were into a run of unexpected defeats [Exeter being the one that sticks in the mind].
Combine wanting to stop this rot with the recent behind-the-scenes shenanigans, and I guess it's not quite as out-of-the-blue as first appears [as was the case with Lee Clark and Huddersfield].
But overall, Megson did appear to be making some progress with the team, so it's a bit of a shame.
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I'm not a massive fan of either Mandaric or Megson - Megon's the type of manager you don't mind until you hear post-match interviews, and he can frequently come across as spiteful. However, their attitude is certainly not the be all and end all, and the manager should be judged by the position of the team at the end of the season.
That said, a team that's third in the league and is there on merit should be allowed to have a crack at the run in to the end of the season. The new manager effect doesn't always work, and I think Wednesday have been one of the more impressive teams in the league recently and probably deserve to go up.
The LMA must be pretty angry/miffed at two teams in the top four of League One sacking their managers in the last month
That said, a team that's third in the league and is there on merit should be allowed to have a crack at the run in to the end of the season. The new manager effect doesn't always work, and I think Wednesday have been one of the more impressive teams in the league recently and probably deserve to go up.
The LMA must be pretty angry/miffed at two teams in the top four of League One sacking their managers in the last month
I was just having a think about this, and was reminded of the study of the effects of changing managers. In a nutshell, the study found...
This would go some way to explain [vindicate?!] the recent sackings of messrs McCarthy, Clark, Grayson and now Megson.
The problem is that there's an inevitable conclusion reached by owners/chairmen/board members: keep changing your managers every 13-18 games, and you'll always be above the average! It's the strategy of winners!
EDIT: http://www.wbs.ac.uk/downloads/news/2009/10/what-is-the-impact-of-changing-football-manag.pdf