memory upgrade

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 12:51

hi guys im new here I purchased a pc for my son at xmas just gone and he wants me to upgrade his graphics card and memory this is the pc I bought from oc https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...zen-5-2600-rx-590-8gb-graphics-fs-1aq-og.html it only has 8gb of memory so id like to know whats the fastest ram I can put in 16gb only im looking at. and if I bought this graphics card https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-38z-sp.html would it be a nice little boost for his gaming needs also id like some advice on which ram to go for thanks

Illuminist · 4 Nov 2019 at 12:54

The fastest ram you can get is 4800, to answer one question, but you don't want that, it's massively expensive and won't work in a 2600 ryzen
You should get 3000hz cl16 or cl14. 2x8gb sticks so it's in dual channel which is faster than 1 x 16gb stick
Would help if you had a budget in mind

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 12:57

Illuminist said:
The fastest ram you can get is 4800, to answer one question, but you don't want that, it's massively expensive and won't work in a 2600 ryzen
You should get 3000hz cl16 or cl14. 2x8gb sticks so it's in dual channel which is faster than 1 x 16gb stick
Would help if you had a budget in mind

thanks for the reply mate no more than £100 for 2x8gb thanks

Illuminist · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:03

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html
Is cheap but will be fine.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...hannel-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b30-my-445-cs.html
Is better quality ram and faster.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...00c15-3000mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-4bk-cs.html
This is fast like the last one but with rgb in case your son wanted that.

They are all 2x 8gb and 3000mhz but the second and third have tighter timings which are better.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:06

Illuminist said:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...al-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g30-my-087-tg.html
Is cheap but will be fine.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...hannel-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b30-my-445-cs.html
Is better quality ram and faster.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...00c15-3000mhz-dual-channel-kit-my-4bk-cs.html
This is fast like the last one but with rgb in case your son wanted that.

They are all 2x 8gb and 3000mhz but the second and third have tighter timings which are better.

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP MATE

Threepwood · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:16

if you can afford £100 ish pounds then the best ram for your sons system is B-die 3600, either this (overclock it to 3600 no problem, it is the same ram, same bin) https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html or grab some 4000mhz downlocked to 3600 viper steel elsewhere.

Ryzen scales really very well with faster ram and it loves B-die, especially your sons generation of ryzen... getting anything else is a cop out if you can afford it mate, not very expensive really.

craig jones said:
hi guys im new here I purchased a pc for my son at xmas just gone and he wants me to upgrade his graphics card and memory this is the pc I bought from oc https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk...zen-5-2600-rx-590-8gb-graphics-fs-1aq-og.html it only has 8gb of memory so id like to know whats the fastest ram I can put in 16gb only im looking at. and if I bought this graphics card https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-38z-sp.html would it be a nice little boost for his gaming needs also id like some advice on which ram to go for thanks

Illuminist · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:22

Threepwood said:
if you can afford £100 ish pounds then the best ram for your sons system is B-die 3600, either this (overclock it to 3600 no problem, it is the same ram, same bin) https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html or grab some 4000mhz downlocked to 3600 viper steel elsewhere.

Ryzen scales really very well with faster ram and it loves B-die, especially your sons generation of ryzen... getting anything else is a cop out if you can afford it mate, not very expensive really.

The ryzen 2000 does not scale well at all with anything over 3000,please don't mislead him.
3200 is achievable if you are very lucky and have a good imc

The second and third ram i listed are bdie, and will easily do 3200 if the cpu can handle it and he wishes to try

Threepwood · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:30

Illuminist said:
The ryzen 2000 does not scale well at all with anything over 3000,please don't mislead him.
3200 is achievable if you are very lucky and have a good imc

The second and third ram i listed are bdie, and will easily do 3200 if the cpu can handle it and he wishes to try

Nonesense, the benefits peak at around 3466 (not 3000, no way) and then there is not much (but still some benefit) from going to 3600, this is at the same timings.

I've tried B-die in a 350 motherboard with a ryzen 1600 @ 3600 and it gave the best results. Simple as that.

Anyway, the point is, for £30 more you can have the *best possible ram* that his sons cpu and motherboard will be able to handle.... which imo is totally worth it, for a poxy £30 having the best is absolutley worth it, for many reasons... the best being able to say to his son, "kid, you got the best".

Also, if he ever upgrades the cpu to a 3000, he will have much better ram waiting for it, and his son will never have to ask for another ram upgrade.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 13:35

Threepwood said:
Nonesense, the benefits peak at around 3466 (not 3000, no way) and then there is not much (but still some benefit) from going to 3600, this is at the same timings.

I've tried B-die in a 350 motherboard with a ryzen 1600 @ 3600 and it gave the best results. Simple as that.

Anyway, the point is, for £30 more you can have the *best possible ram* that his sons cpu and motherboard will be able to handle.... which imo is totally worth it, for a poxy £30 having the best is absolutley worth it, for many reasons... the best being able to say to his son, "kid, you got the best".

Also, if he ever upgrades the cpu to a 3000, he will have much better ram waiting for it, and his son will never have to ask for another ram upgrade.

Would that 8 pack ram work as soon as I put it in the motherboard. I’m not all that with computers really just know the basics ?

Illuminist · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:10

Okay then, I'll leave you in this man's bad advice. I owned a 2700x and in the owners thread 3200mhz was the max it supports. It even says this in the documentation....

The Ryzen 5 2600 Processor from AMD is a AM4 3.4 GHz base clock 6-core, 12-thread 12nm FinFET CMOS desktop processor. It supports 2-channel DDR4 memory up to 2933 MHz.

@craig jones you would go into the bios and set xmp to enabled and that's it. Which if the ram was 3466/3600 would not work.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:34

Illuminist said:
Okay then, I'll leave you in this man's bad advice. I owned a 2700x and in the owners thread 3200mhz was the max it supports. It even says this in the documentation....

The Ryzen 5 2600 Processor from AMD is a AM4 3.4 GHz base clock 6-core, 12-thread 12nm FinFET CMOS desktop processor. It supports 2-channel DDR4 memory up to 2933 MHz.

@craig jones you would go into the bios and set xmp to enabled and that's it. Which if the ram was 3466/3600 would not work.

Not going on his advice m8 I’m going on yours I’ll go with the 3rd section I think and like you said I can go into xmp and select the profile 1

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 14:36

craig jones said:
Not going on his advice m8 I’m going on yours I’ll go with the 3rd section I think and like you said I can go into xmp and select the profile 1

Threepwood · 4 Nov 2019 at 15:19

Illuminist said:
Okay then, I'll leave you in this man's bad advice. I owned a 2700x and in the owners thread 3200mhz was the max it supports. It even says this in the documentation....

The Ryzen 5 2600 Processor from AMD is a AM4 3.4 GHz base clock 6-core, 12-thread 12nm FinFET CMOS desktop processor. It supports 2-channel DDR4 memory up to 2933 MHz.

@craig jones you would go into the bios and set xmp to enabled and that's it. Which if the ram was 3466/3600 would not work.

Just because yours would not run higher than does not mean all wont. Do you seriously think that no 2600 won't do more? "support" means OFFICALLY supports, its not the end cap. There are loads of examples online, benchmarks etc that show the 2600 running 3600, but whatever. Like I said, our ryzen with cheap board runs B-die at 3600 no problemmo.

You miss every shot you dont take craig, if you dont want to take the shot for a poxy £30, then by all means don't

but if you had... you might have found that it ran 3600 easily, and you would have had the best ram for an eventual upgrade to ryzen 3000.

Edit: and as for bad advice.. pfffft! Its open minded advice, with a shot for greatness and a decent upgrade path. Not closed, cheapest possible advice. Buy well once and you dont have to buy twice.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:17

Threepwood said:
Just because yours would not run higher than does not mean all wont. Do you seriously think that no 2600 won't do more? "support" means OFFICALLY supports, its not the end cap. There are loads of examples online, benchmarks etc that show the 2600 running 3600, but whatever. Like I said, our ryzen with cheap board runs B-die at 3600 no problemmo.

You miss every shot you dont take craig, if you dont want to take the shot for a poxy £30, then by all means don't but if you had... you might have found that it ran 3600 easily, and you would have had the best ram for an eventual upgrade to ryzen 3000.

Edit: and as for bad advice.. pfffft! Its open minded advice, with a shot for greatness and a decent upgrade path. Not closed, cheapest possible advice. Buy well once and you dont have to buy twice.

Illuminist said:
Okay then, I'll leave you in this man's bad advice. I owned a 2700x and in the owners thread 3200mhz was the max it supports. It even says this in the documentation....

The Ryzen 5 2600 Processor from AMD is a AM4 3.4 GHz base clock 6-core, 12-thread 12nm FinFET CMOS desktop processor. It supports 2-channel DDR4 memory up to 2933 MHz.

@craig jones you would go into the bios and set xmp to enabled and that's it. Which if the ram was 3466/3600 would not work.

Threepwood said:
Just because yours would not run higher than does not mean all wont. Do you seriously think that no 2600 won't do more? "support" means OFFICALLY supports, its not the end cap. There are loads of examples online, benchmarks etc that show the 2600 running 3600, but whatever. Like I said, our ryzen with cheap board runs B-die at 3600 no problemmo.

You miss every shot you dont take craig, if you dont want to take the shot for a poxy £30, then by all means don't but if you had... you might have found that it ran 3600 easily, and you would have had the best ram for an eventual upgrade to ryzen 3000.

Edit: and as for bad advice.. pfffft! Its open minded advice, with a shot for greatness and a decent upgrade path. Not closed, cheapest possible advice. Buy well once and you dont have to buy twice.

Threepwood said:
Just because yours would not run higher than does not mean all wont. Do you seriously think that no 2600 won't do more? "support" means OFFICALLY supports, its not the end cap. There are loads of examples online, benchmarks etc that show the 2600 running 3600, but whatever. Like I said, our ryzen with cheap board runs B-die at 3600 no problemmo.

You miss every shot you dont take craig, if you dont want to take the shot for a poxy £30, then by all means don't but if you had... you might have found that it ran 3600 easily, and you would have had the best ram for an eventual upgrade to ryzen 3000.

Edit: and as for bad advice.. pfffft! Its open minded advice, with a shot for greatness and a decent upgrade path. Not closed, cheapest possible advice. Buy well once and

Illuminist said:

Okay then, I'll leave you in this man's bad advice. I owned a 2700x and in the owners thread 3200mhz was the max it supports. It even says this in the documentation....

The Ryzen 5 2600 Processor from AMD is a AM4 3.4 GHz base clock 6-core, 12-thread 12nm FinFET CMOS desktop processor. It supports 2-channel DDR4 memory up to 2933 MHz.

@craig jones you would go into the bios and set xmp to enabled and that's it. Which if the ram was 3466/3600 would not work.

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So it will not support 3200 MHz as standard in the manual it says about the memory 3600(OC) 3466 (O.C) 3200 (O.C) /2933/2667/2400 I’m absolutely lost now to be fair lol

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:19

Threepwood said:
Just because yours would not run higher than does not mean all wont. Do you seriously think that no 2600 won't do more? "support" means OFFICALLY supports, its not the end cap. There are loads of examples online, benchmarks etc that show the 2600 running 3600, but whatever. Like I said, our ryzen with cheap board runs B-die at 3600 no problemmo.

You miss every shot you dont take craig, if you dont want to take the shot for a poxy £30, then by all means don't but if you had... you might have found that it ran 3600 easily, and you would have had the best ram for an eventual upgrade to ryzen 3000.

Edit: and as for bad advice.. pfffft! Its open minded advice, with a shot for greatness and a decent upgrade path. Not closed, cheapest possible advice. Buy well once and you dont have to buy twice.

So it will not support 3200 MHz as standard in the manual it says about the memory 3600(OC) 3466 (O.C) 3200 (O.C) /2933/2667/2400 I’m absolutely lost now to be fair lol

Threepwood · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:38

Any overclock is unoffically supported, but can work, just not guaranteed. All the speeds that do not have the O.C (which mean overclocked) are guaranteed to work.

The best chance to get the overclocked values to work needs B-die ram (mainly), most of the rest fails.

If you get the 3200 8 pack ram, which is on sale right now it has the best chance at working at those unofficial speeds, the 3200 8 pack ram is exactly the same as the 3600 ram, just the amp profiles are set for 3200 not 3600. So you would have to manually see if you can get it to post higher than 3200.

3466 is a sweet spot, with only a little gain going to 3600... but still worth it if it works.

If you get that ram you have the best chance of getting even 3200 in the first place, and mayyybeee higher.

Also, if the 2600 is ever upgraded to a 3600 the sweet spot there is 3600 ram, so you will never have your son asking for that to go with the 3600.

My 2p, hope that helps.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 19:51

Threepwood said:
Any overclock is unoffically supported, but can work, just not guaranteed. All the speeds that do not have the O.C (which mean overclocked) are guaranteed to work. So this will work https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-8pack-edition-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-25600c14-3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html even though it’s at the oc speed in the documentation ?

The best chance to get the overclocked values to work needs B-die ram (mainly), most of the rest fails.

If you get the 3200 8 pack ram, which is on sale right now it has the best chance at working at those unofficial speeds, the 3200 8 pack ram is exactly the same as the 3600 ram, just the amp profiles are set for 3200 not 3600. So you would have to manually see if you can get it to post higher than 3200.

3466 is a sweet spot, with only a little gain going to 3600... but still worth it if it works.

If you get that ram you have the best chance of getting even 3200 in the first place, and mayyybeee higher.

Also, if the 2600 is ever upgraded to a 3600 the sweet spot there is 3600 ram, so you will never have your son asking for that to go with the 3600.

My 2p, hope that helps.

craig jones · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:00

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3200mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08l-tg.html. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...3600mhz-dual-channel-kit-black-my-08q-tg.html 1st or 2nd one m8 ? Thanks

Threepwood · 4 Nov 2019 at 20:06

They are actually exactly the same ram, just the 3600 has A.M.P settings for 3600 (one click overclock) whereas the 3200 has 3200 A.M.P settings.

So the 3600 for the ease of pressing a button for 3600, OR the 3200 ones for saving a tenner and having to change the settings yourself manually.

Personally I would go for the 3200 because I would enjoy playing with them manually to get them running at 3600.

Edit: with the 3200 you might find that all you have to do is put change CAS 16-16-16-36 to CAS 14-14-14-31 with the rest on auto.