Microsoft Security Essentials is not good enough

Scougar said:
Sounds to me like you need a seperate machine to do all the checking/cleaning/faffing/washing/dropping the soaping/trying to forget it happened(ing) ;-)

Frankly, if you are 'checking every single day' for security information, I think YOU are more suspectible to getting caught out than the majority of people here.

And like your generic wash away comment of "how do you know?".. well.. how do you know that even though something was caught.. it didn't get away with some dirty work first?
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Unbelievable. Your last paragraph is exactly what I've been talking about throughout this entire thread.
 
wjfcomputers said:
How about protection at the point of infection, not detection? How about.perfect clean-up routines.

I'm just trying to help here. If this doesn't resonate with you, keep doing what you're doing.
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Can you prove that these solutions have 'perfect' clean up routines and 'prevention instead of detection'?

Common sense beats the majority of malware getting onto your PC, if your careful. MSE/MWB are just there in case common sense doesn't prevail or in case a website usually secure has been compromised.

Just my opinion.
 
Throrik said:
Can you prove that these solutions have 'perfect' clean up routines and 'prevention instead of detection'?

Common sense beats the majority of malware getting onto your PC, if your careful. MSE/MWB are just there in case common sense doesn't prevail or in case a website usually secure has been compromised.

Just my opinion.
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If nothing I've said so far has answered your questions I'm gonna have to give up.
 
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wjfcomputers said:
If nothing I've said so far has answered your questions I'm gonna have to give up. I've clearly explained why you need protection at infection and I've explained how the clean-ups work.
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I have protection, with MSE/MWB and any other tools I need, all of which have free versions. They all get rid of malware too, not just let it chill out for a few years.

I fail to see how anything you've said in 99% of your posts in this thread is actually informative, it's generally skipping around crap and having some kind of agenda versus MSE.
 
Why recommend Webroot then if it's 25" less effective thanemisoft according to the graphic posted in the op?

You are the Sales engineer for Webroot for starters.
 
Who actually stores their credit card details in a wordpad anyway? I certainly don't.

There's nothing exciting on my computer that a super virus could come along and upload to the Nigerian. All he would find is is my general files which would serve no purpose to him. So what if he gets my CV. My name and address are publicly available on the internet anyway. Most peoples are via the electoral role or the phone book.

With regards to a virus crashing my computer and causing issues. I find restoring from a system image takes less than 20 minutes and is the ultimate solution to a virus. Who wants to be faffing around with scans for half an hour and removals, and then your never 100% sure. A quick re-image and your back to where you left off before the virus even existed. Sorted!

I went for years without running any AV. Some people think that's crazy. Well it never did me any harm. I got the odd virus here and there that caused an issue. Nothing that wasn't solved in 20 minutes and a click or two.

I do now run MSE. I also used to run MWB. Not anymore though. MSE picks up any viruses from other peoples pen drives that I insert or hard drives when I do data recovery jobs etc. It's always been on the ball and not allowed anything to infect my system.

To the OP. Your clearly preaching to the wrong crowd here. No one is going to adopt your philosophy or way of thinking. I'm not saying it's wrong or right. But it's just not for us.

So generically speaking. Best just to give up. I couldn't resist :p
 
Ok I am following you but; reading this thread has made my brain hurt. I understand fundamentally what you are talking about but you are going about this the wrong way IMHO. Diplomacy is the key here and you seem to have quite a few peoples backs up.

Ideally in a "perfect world" every user would have a Anti-Virus, Anti-Spyware, Anti-Rootkit, Anti-Trojan, Anti-Logicbomb, Sandbox IDO, IDS (or Ideally IPS), Process guard, Logic guard (log file protection), heuristic protection, primary and secondary Firewall suites. Realistically however the amount of CPU, RAM and money required to have and upgrade such a system is quite infeasible for a home user. We're talking high security stuff here which either does not come free, or cheap.

Yes I agree more protection is required in addition to MSE, Malware bytes and tea timer oughta do it really. If you are concerned with security then yes extra protection all round - or in HIGH SECURITY enviroments. When it came to my parents they had no protection at all. I installed MSE safe in the knowledge it would offer them SOME protection over none at all.

Personally I use every tool available to me, but being more pro-active I turn off services I don't use, verify there is no quirky things running but thats just me. Home users and some power users are different and have different requirements.

You know; MSE does not have THE BEST rep around as many here would agree but it offers some protection over no protection. This is what people agree on.
 
wjfcomputers said:
I quoted the only accurate part of your post.

If you're really interested I could post a more detailed comparison for you in the morning. In the mean-time you could re-read my previous comment about the London Stock Exchange web site, hopefully that will mean something to you - MSE and MWB did not protect the hundreds of thousands of users who were infected by that threat.
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How quaint. You can't back up any of your inane statements so resort to petty insults.
 
wjfcomputers said:
Then all I ask is you stop recommending MSE to newbies, as you don't know what you're saying.

Enjoy your Mac. :)
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I'll recomend it, and I know what I am doing...

(well i set msc as real time and put malwarebytes on as a on demand scanner to be run once a week)

nod is way too complicated most poeple cannot even work out how to renew it when it expires,

kaspersky asks too many complex questions I put it on 5 PC's and had to take it off 3 of them....

AVG was letting too many virus' in

never liked norton or symantec (no real reason why)

you must accept all AV programs will let a virus in at some point... its not a perfect science

not had a MSC machine re-infected this year yet...
 
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, a huge factor of using the internet safely free from all those nasty things is common sense. What people do on their computers is their own business but if people keep downloading porn, downloading piracy, visiting dodgy sites, clicking on links that advertise free money etc or opening email attachments from unknown senders then youre chance of catching some virus etc is far greater. Simple.

All these fancy pants anti virus programs are total resource hogs and total overkill. Ive been using MSE for god knows how long and never had any issues. You could argue, how do I know that something hasnt slipped through because MSE isnt very good blah blah blah but I know because I dont do any of the things I listed above.
 
The sooner people like the OP realise that *all* anti-virus/malware products are crap, the better.

The reason MSE gets recommended on here has nothing to do with detection rates, branding or anything like that. It's because people know that, out of all the snake oil products, MSE contains the least percentage of actual snake oil ;)
 
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NathanE said:
The sooner people like the OP realise that *all* anti-virus/malware products are crap, the better.

The reason MSE gets recommended on here has nothing to do with detection rates, branding or anything like that. It's because people know that, out of all the snake oil products, MSE contains the least percentage of actual snake oil ;)
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its fast, and not very intrusive, it never asks the user stupid questions (at least no one has run me yet) its also a small download and easy to install
 
edscdk said:
its fast, and not very intrusive, it never asks the user stupid questions (at least no one has run me yet) its also a small download and easy to install
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Yup. The biggest factor being that it doesn't pop up frequently reminding you that you're running the "Free edition" and that you should probably "Upgrade to the Pro edition". Nor does the entire program contain a £ or $ symbol anywhere.
 
wjfcomputers said:
I'm talking about a solution that leverages a vast online database of billions of files and behavioural data (not Panda).

When I execute a file on my machine, a classification is obtained from the cloud database. If the file is good, it will be allowed to do what it needs to do. If it's bad, it'll be cleaned-up. If it's unknown the file will be placed in 'monitor' mode.

While in monitor mode, the file is first executed in a sandbox (transparent to the end user and takes seconds) where heuristical analysis takes place and behaviour is monitored. If it exhibits malicious behaviour at this stage the file is cleaned-up.

If no further malicious behaviour is witnessed in the sandbox, the file while be allowed to execute, but will still be continuously monitored. If the file tries to replicate, I'm protected. If it tries to still my keys, grab my screen or any other information stealing techniques, I'm generically protected even if no security vendor on the planet has seen the virus before.

Once my AV vendor has identified that the file that executed on my machine is a virus, a bad classification is pushed down. When my system receives the bad classification, it reverses every single change that the virus made to my system because while the file was being monitored a local change journal was recorded on my system, resulting in a perfect clean-up.

I also have visibility of everything the virus did or tried to do to my system.

I appreciate that this method includes some heuristics, but I'm sure you'll agree its a lot more than that.

The AV client itself is half a megabyte and uses up no noticeable system resources. It can also run alongside other AV products.
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Are you refering to NOD32 v5?
 
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