Mid sized EV suggestions

[Haggisman]

Just to complete my options - are there any leasing companies that lease 2 year old cars being returned after their first lease? Has anyone used one?

Yes, my eNiro is a used lease from Nationwide Vehicle Contracts

There are, but you'll pay the same or more than a new one. https://www.nationwidevehiclecontracts.co.uk/car-leasing/used

Completely depends on the car & deal, to get a new Niro on the same terms as mine would have cost ~50% more (~£450/month vs £300/month)

Edit: Example of the vehicles mentioned in the OP, all on 36 months + 1 up front & 10k miles/year:

Ioniq 5:

Used 125kW Premium 58 kWh 5dr Auto, reg Sep 2022: £273/month
New 125kW Premium 63 kWh Auto: £477/month

Kia EV6:

Used 166kW GT Line 77.4kWh 5dr Auto, reg Nov 2022: £395/month
New 168kW GT Line 84kWh Auto MY25: £652/month

 

[tamzzy]

I'm sure there are cheaper options then buying an 18 month old car for cash. I'm certainly keen to look at them. Maybe an older car (4 years perhaps) with a decent after market warranty is a better option.

aftermarket warranties are stupidly expensive for EVs i don't know why, seeing as the battery (and motors, depending on brand) are already warrantied for 8 years by the manufacturer
for example i had a gander around for my model 3, they wanted £600 per year for the aftermarket warranty with a £200 excess...just lol...

unless you're totally unlucky and buy a lemon, i would avoid getting the aftermarket warranties as you'll probably be quids in even if you need work doing on the car

 

[kefkef]

Expect a mini-flood of EV's back onto the market as the NHS redundancies take place. Going into NHS fleet currently there's usually only 1-2 'used' vehicles to look at, there's over 100 on there currently and climbing daily, I'd expect them to be released back to the market pretty quickly.

 

[chanjy]

Expect a mini-flood of EV's back onto the market as the NHS redundancies take place. Going into NHS fleet currently there's usually only 1-2 'used' vehicles to look at, there's over 100 on there currently and climbing daily, I'd expect them to be released back to the market pretty quickly.

There's 43k EV on autotrader right now so drop in the ocean really. Why are they making people redundant when hospitals are barely coping?

 

[tamzzy]

Why are they making people redundant when hospitals are barely coping?

management needs a payrise

 

[kefkef]

There's 43k EV on autotrader right now so drop in the ocean really. Why are they making people redundant when hospitals are barely coping?

There’s 70k cars on the NHS Fleet scheme currently (and that’s just one scheme, there’s Tusker who also have a large fleet too), the majority are EV’s. The NHS isn’t just hospitals………

 

[chanjy]

Ok but the post I was replying to said there was 100 cars returned and on the portal...

 

[Hodders]

Reading some recent articles that imply insuring Chinese cars can be a real issue (and expensive) with many insurers just refusing. Apparently it's down to unknown reliability and spare parts uncertainty.

Anybody got any first hand experience?

 

[jpaul]

Paul, insure your KIA EV6 GT from £607.72
Paul, insure your BYD SEAL DESIGN from £445.83
Paul, insure your BMW I4 EDRIVE35 SPORT from £414.59
Paul, insure your FORD CAPRI PREMIUM EXTENDED RANGE from £503.59
Paul, insure your TESLA MODEL-3 STANDARD RANGE PLUS from £858.02

byd seal looked ok, but tesla & kias WTF (Kia had had security problems too) ... europeans for the win,
setting yourself up for an unpredictable increase down the line seems foolish too.

 

[tangey]

byd seal looked ok, but tesla & kias WTF (Kia had had security problems too) ... europeans for the win,
setting yourself up for an unpredictable increase down the line seems foolish too.

Dunno about the tesla, but the EV6 Gt is a 160MPH 0-60 in 3.4sec monster. So I'm guessing that's in the premium somewhere.

 

[Scania]

Having had a run in my brother in laws i4 40 (26 plate) today, wow! I was seriously impressed.

I’m no fan of EV’s from a prehistoric principled standpoint, but, the reality of experience really makes that stance hard to maintain….

 

[Jonnycoupe]

That’s basically all that happens people don’t like them, go in one, and are recalibrated to the facts instead of their preconceptions.

I remember hearing similar about my IPACE at the Motors meet but then also you have people looking under the bonnet of an F Type R telling each other it’s naturally aspirated so ignorance is bliss isn’t unique to EVs.

Dunno about the tesla, but the EV6 Gt is a 160MPH 0-60 in 3.4sec monster. So I'm guessing that's in the premium somewhere.

He’s speaking about the GT line spec rather than GT I bet. That’s said you are one of the few who’s still entertain his ramblings?

 

[tamzzy]

I’m no fan of EV’s from a prehistoric principled standpoint, but, the reality of experience really makes that stance hard to maintain….

i test drove my current car (model 3) for an hour and then immediately put down a deposit to purchase it even before i had a buyer for my old car (440i)
the depreciation (or lack thereof, as i bought it used), fuel savings, insurance savings and servicing savings just sweetened the deal for my man maths

 

[Journey]

Having had a run in my brother in laws i4 40 (26 plate) today, wow! I was seriously impressed.

I’m no fan of EV’s from a prehistoric principled standpoint, but, the reality of experience really makes that stance hard to maintain….

I'm really surprised if you've not watched any Electric Trucker videos on YouTube, he is a German truck driver who gives great info on the future of hauling stuff! Give it a watch if you haven't.

 

[ICDP]

I sent a friend a link to an MG SE 64kWh for her to test (after I finally convinced her that EVs are well within her £12k budget. It was £12k on Wednesday, it was £13k on Friday. I think the price gouging of EVs is starting due to ever increasing fuel prices.

 

[Scania]

I'm really surprised if you've not watched any Electric Trucker videos on YouTube, he is a German truck driver who gives great info on the future of hauling stuff! Give it a watch if you haven't.

I’ve seen a few, the problem with EV HGV’s is the weight penalty from the batteries and range, my old employer had a Volvo electric tractor on evaluation, it went out twice and was parked up until it went back - it was wholly unusable for the job it needed to do.

 

[Journey]

I’ve seen a few, the problem with EV HGV’s is the weight penalty from the batteries and range, my old employer had a Volvo electric tractor on evaluation, it went out twice and was parked up until it went back - it was wholly unusable for the job it needed to do.

I must say given the content I have seen (for Germany anyhow) they seem like a much better option in a quite a few scenarios. If you are trying to haul right on the limit of the maximum avialble weight it will be an issue, but not every load being hauled is like that. Also I note that hauliers in general might end up taking 2-3 hours long to move an entire truck load of 'stuff' but given the cost of diesel now there is no way that the electric option doesn't become the commercially better product.

Anyhow far too off topic, an HGV is certainly not a mid-sized EV.

 

[jpaul]

thought the europeans were putting in some good arteries of heavy duty ev chargers to enable trucks (unlike the UK)

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insurance premium is a real world thing if it's not a coimpany car though,
manufacturers wouldn't be putting sub-4s motors in £60K ev's if they had thought that would push insurance outside of private markets customers.
(rather the non-availibility of parts and repair expenses pushing them up was unanticipated)

 

[Alexrose1uk]

Reading some recent articles that imply insuring Chinese cars can be a real issue (and expensive) with many insurers just refusing. Apparently it's down to unknown reliability and spare parts uncertainty.

Anybody got any first hand experience?

I absolutely love my BYD Seal, but its been in the garage for 4 months as the EV garage it was in (STEER) weren't able to get all the bits to repair it after I was rear-ended fairly hard with between 5-10k worth of damage. As it stands, Admiral have had to step in and are now trying to see if they can source the parts with thier much larger parts network.

So there is something to it, albeit with BYD ramping up in Europe, I'd imagine parts will come. The situation in the Middle East will not be helping right now either; and that relates to all manufacturers who have any parts sourced from Asia etc.

Either way though, I do love the car, and can't wait to get it back.

 

[Alexrose1uk]

I sent a friend a link to an MG SE 64kWh for her to test (after I finally convinced her that EVs are well within her £12k budget. It was £12k on Wednesday, it was £13k on Friday. I think the price gouging of EVs is starting due to ever increasing fuel prices.

Be very, very, VERY careful with MG4s, assuming that is what this is (I'm guessing so with the price), there are a lot of lemons out there, and I wouldn't wish a lemon on her; and in some of them the self driving/auto correction stuff is frankly dangerous, which is why prices have plummeted relative to the age of the model; they've picked up a bit of a bad reputation. I've got the year and a half owner, finance-took-it-back T-Shirt on this, and plenty of other people with other lemons in the MG4 specialist forums...

Not saying they're all like that, as some of them do seem to be fine, but between my experiences, the knowledge a lot of the dealers are bad, and some wont even help with needed updates etc...you've really got to be careful with them; MG/SAIC unfortunately cut too many corners in terms of parts/firmware/support and it really showed.