Migrating from CRT to TFT (Design)

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As I'm purchasing a new build, I'm going to trial a TFT. If it's crap (which I suspect it will be), it's going in the bin.

I currently use an old Hitachi CM752ET CRT which is great and I'll be sad to have to go downwards in terms of picture quality but I need to save room.

I'm considering either a Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP (20" 4:3) or its widescreen brother, the 2007WFP (both non-HC) but will probably go for the standard ratio. These models have been selected as they are either S-IPS or S-PVA but I'm not sure which (any ideas?). A TN is out of the question.

My question is: what models are the designers here using? I don't mean the Photoshop wannabe's (no offence) - I mean those who design for professional print output where colour reproduction is critical.

As an aside, I also want it to do fairly well in games (gotta relax somehow!) so it needs to cut the mustard there too.

Cheers :)
 
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those two are probably good bets if you want something with good colour rendering capabilities (wide viewing angles are a pro of S-IPS as well) and also being able to offer some decent responsiveness for gaming. WS is really a nice thing to have, i'd recommend considering the 2007WFP as it's hard to go back to 4:3 once you've used WS! :) More high end models from LaCie, Eizo and NEC are used commonly for pro graphics work, but certainly much more money than models like the Dell's here.
 
Thanks. Do you have any recommendations for pro-spec monitors? Budget is around the £600 mark. :)

Not sure about the WS thing - don't games have issues in widescreen?

I take it that I'm right to avoid 'HC' monitors because they're bad for gaming?
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EagleOC said:
Thanks. Do you have any recommendations for pro-spec monitors? Budget is around the £600 mark. :)

Not sure about the WS thing - don't games have issues in widescreen?

I take it that I'm right to avoid 'HC' monitors because they're bad for gaming?
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well i'd just take a look at Eizo's and NEC's pro range really. I haven't tested them personally, but i know they are highly regarded for graphics work. They aren't really gaming orientated though, so you may be better with a more mainstream model, just one which can be calibrated (I assume you have a hardware colorimeter or something?) to give very good colour accuracy.

see here regarding WS gaming, but not really an issue on modern games anyway, and some screens also offer aspect ratio control at a hardware level. see that link for more info :)

It depends what you mean really regarding "HC monitors". HC in the Dell sense, means HighColor and is used to mark their new extended colour gamut range. Having a different backlighting (which is how they achieve the enhanced gamut) makes no difference to gaming, so dont be put off. What i guess you're referring to is the fact the 2407WFP-HC model has some reported ghosting issues and yes, in that model, it could be an issue for gaming. However, most other extended gamut screens will be fine :)
 
Ah - so it's just the 2407WFP.

Thanks again.

It's mind-blowing trying to find the right balance of a good colour gamut, low dot pitch, minimal ghosting, good response time and non TN panel! :eek:

Oh and 1:1 pixel mapping if I opt for a widescreen.
 
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I have the 2007wfp. My business is graphic design too. I believe this monitor is S-IPS, so you don't get the viewing angle problems like with TN, however there is a strange orange haze when looking at the screen from the side. In terms of colour quality, well I came from an older Dell Ultrasharp 17" which had a somewhat overly blue tone to it. I didn't realise this so I thought the 2007wfp had bad colours. I calibrated the screen using Spyder2Express and the colours are really great now. Maybe a little too good because a lot of average monitors can't differentiate between two dark colours, like the striped background here http://m1motors.com/
 
Well my current TN based screen shows the difference between the stripes easily... and if you made the background you've done it wrong, the tiled background doesn't quite line up :p
 
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I have the 2007wfp. My business is graphic design too. I believe this monitor is S-IPS, so you don't get the viewing angle problems like with TN, however there is a strange orange haze when looking at the screen from the side. In terms of colour quality, well I came from an older Dell Ultrasharp 17" which had a somewhat overly blue tone to it. I didn't realise this so I thought the 2007wfp had bad colours. I calibrated the screen using Spyder2Express and the colours are really great now. Maybe a little too good because a lot of average monitors can't differentiate between two dark colours, like the striped background here http://m1motors.com/
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Thanks. :) I can juuuust see that with my CRT. How it should be, I guess.

There's plenty of sellers out there but very few state whether it's a Revision A04 or not. :(
 
Are all the 2007FPs S-IPS?

This doesn't bode well... :(

currently bought a new 2007FP about a week and a half ago and recievied a S-PVA monitor.
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Well it looks like the 2007FP S-IPS is rare / not available anymore.
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I am sorry to see all the 20" S-IPS vanishing just the same.
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Just got two 2007FP off ebay... one was S-IPS and the other was S-PVA.
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100

S-IPS is superior to S-PVA, right?

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take a look at the lacie 320 grapics monitor, ive got the 321 for photograpic and it performes very well, although its not designed for gaming....the refresh rate is poo but for static work its the nutz
 
Have set up my 2407WFP but there's no contrast setting in DVI mode apparently why is that? Pretty damn useless for graphic design... :rolleyes: Which is better - DVI or VGA? Is there any real difference?

Also, if I was to play a 4:3 ratio game, how do I set up 1:1 pixel resolution? Again, the option is greyed-out. :(
 
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I have the 2007wfp. My business is graphic design too. I believe this monitor is S-IPS, so you don't get the viewing angle problems like with TN, however there is a strange orange haze when looking at the screen from the side. In terms of colour quality, well I came from an older Dell Ultrasharp 17" which had a somewhat overly blue tone to it. I didn't realise this so I thought the 2007wfp had bad colours. I calibrated the screen using Spyder2Express and the colours are really great now. Maybe a little too good because a lot of average monitors can't differentiate between two dark colours, like the striped background here http://m1motors.com/
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I've just tested the background on my monitor and it's clear as daylight on my Hp w2207h.
 
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Have set up my 2407WFP but there's no contrast setting in DVI mode apparently why is that? Pretty damn useless for graphic design... :rolleyes: Which is better - DVI or VGA? Is there any real difference?

Also, if I was to play a 4:3 ratio game, how do I set up 1:1 pixel resolution? Again, the option is greyed-out. :(
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i don't really see how the lack of an OSD contrast adjustment is "useless for graphic design" tbh. Most models will not allow this option via the OSD when connecting via a digital interface. If you really must have it, you'd need to use VGA, but you may lose some PQ since it's not a true digital end to end signal. Other option if you need to change it is to do so via your graphics card setting. Thinking about it, I can't remember many (any?) screens I've tested where the default setting of contrast in the OSD is not optimum or needs changing. It's normally perfectly fine to leave it as it is.
 
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