Mikhail Gorbachev, former Soviet leader, dies

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Gorbachev to be buried next to his wife Raisa in Moscow​

“Mikhail Gorbachev passed away tonight after a serious and protracted disease,” Interfax news agency cited Russia’s Central Clinical Hospital as saying in a statement.

Gorbachev will be buried in Moscow’s Novodevichy Cemetery next to his wife Raisa, who died in 1999, said Tass news agency, citing a source familiar with the family’s wishes.

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The reactionaries are having a moment.

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Tony Edwards said:
Why face palm it was meant to lead to something big I cant remember what. I think it was part of threee signs or some other vague ****.
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Nostradamus did not predict anything, at least not accurately. He just wrote a bunch of waffle that other people read their own conclusions into. You might as well claim that Mother Shipton predicted space travel.
 
Minusorange said:
Not sure he's the sort of person deserving of his own graveyard thread
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I'm 59, and nuclear war felt as real a threat as the IRA bombs we "lived with" growing up. Gorbachev was far from perfect. You don't rise to be leader of the USSR by being perfect. But he did make decisions which led to Russia having the chance (in theory anyway) of being a great democratic nation, and seemed to free us from the shadow of imminent global warfare. So I'll cut him a little slack.

You might, however, argue that the world would have been a better place with an honest ongoing Cold War than the internationally corrosive influence of oligarchs, Putin, and energy sales. So that could be valid criticism.
 
Tony Edwards said:
And?
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So there's no point referring to him in this thread. He's irrelevant.

Minusorange said:
He didn't achieve anything, totally disrespectful to all those who actually fought against communism to bring down the wall
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Nonsense. He ended the Cold War, brought down the Berlin Wall, removed the Iron Curtain, and opened the USSR to capitalism. In fact, he probably deserves more credit for all of these things than anyone else.
 
cheesefest said:
What's the likelihood that Putin will end his life in a similar fashion to either Hitler or Gaddafi?
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Something which has become increasingly apparent in recent months is that the Russian government acts more like a cartel or mafia and Putin has a nuclear arsenal and a "if I can't have it neither can you" mentality... there is a small chance he'll be taken out by someone in his own organisation but a slim one.
 
Sankari said:
The man who ended the Cold War and brought down the Berlin Wall. An extraordinary political icon of my childhood. What a time it was.
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I remember seeing him and Thatcher on the news many times in the mornings getting ready for primary school. Sometimes it's unreal to think from then until now that both are dead.
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Mikhail Gorbachev meets Margaret Thatcher in 1987

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev met Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher in 1987 at RAF Brize Norton before heading to America to meet President Reagan.
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Sankari said:
So there's no point referring to him in this thread. He's irrelevant.



Nonsense. He ended the Cold War, brought down the Berlin Wall, removed the Iron Curtain, and opened the USSR to capitalism. In fact, he probably deserves more credit for all of these things than anyone else.
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He seems to be popular outside of Russia for obvious reasons. Inside I remember a Bald & Bankrupt video where he went to the region or town of his birth and he spoke to some locals, the conversations that I remember in the video said nothing good about him. I think that's most likely the reality, the parents and or grandparents will pass that dislike down to their kids with the rose tinted glasses of the glory days.

Russians kind of remind me of my grandparents generation. They tolerate so much crap, lived and served within a world at war, our grandfathers effectively pawns on a chess table, but when it ended they preferred the simple life with traditionalism and customs above all, then came Gorbachev that after he departed the CPPC dream died shortly after. For those living within it at the time it probably brought a sense of community, grandiosity and or purpose and it was gone within an instant.

Those rose tinted glasses is probably the reason why Putin is still in power right now, it's obvious he exploited the nostalgia to effectively do what he wants.
 
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