Mini or Fiesta ST

iaind · 30 Jun 2016 at 10:17

Janesy B said:
They're 197bhp for all intents and purposes, it's just that it's an 'overboost' feature that gives you full power for 15 seconds when booting it. To reset it you just lift off and boot it again. That's why the performance is so similar to the Pug 208 GTI and RS Clio despite being 20bhp 'down.

Is there not a "cooldown" period?

Janesy B · 30 Jun 2016 at 10:26

Nope. I'm not sure why they didn't just give the full amount. Maybe to keep insurance costs down so people aren't put off buying them, or to keep the figures far enough away from the Focus. Mountune MP215 kit gives a constant 215bhp and the only change is a different air box and a remap.

Cleisthenes · 30 Jun 2016 at 10:31

Janesy B said:
They're 197bhp for all intents and purposes, it's just that it's an 'overboost' feature that gives you full power for 15 seconds when booting it. To reset it you just lift off and boot it again. That's why the performance is so similar to the Pug 208 GTI and RS Clio despite being 20bhp 'down.

Thanks for the clarification

iaind · 30 Jun 2016 at 10:34

Janesy B said:
Nope. I'm not sure why they didn't just give the full amount. Maybe to keep insurance costs down so people aren't put off buying them, or to keep the figures far enough away from the Focus. Mountune MP215 kit gives a constant 215bhp and the only change is a different air box and a remap.

Sounds plausible. The manual versions of my car have an overboost function but theres a time on it (cant remember how long) - presumably to stop it melting something!

Nasher · 30 Jun 2016 at 11:19

Probably a way of cheating emissions tests tbh

But it will also slightly improve MPG in normal driving. You can get over 50 on a long motorway cruise, even with the MT upgrades installed.

eatcustard · 30 Jun 2016 at 11:26

If you want comfort dont buy a mini, if you want fun buy a mini.

Mini will holds its value ST will not

Also buy a post 2010 mini as the N14 engine is rubbish

Nasher · 30 Jun 2016 at 11:29

The Minis don't hold their value better

Dr Who · 30 Jun 2016 at 20:25

Yeah the economy is darn good if you drive carefully. The mini is fun, but not as much as the Fiesta and there are lots of things that niggle like the annoying electric window switches (tricky to use and stupid place).

Dr Who · 30 Jun 2016 at 20:26

The overboost lasts 20 seconds and to be honest, if you can keep your foot planted for 20 seconds you will be doing stupid speeds!

eatcustard · 1 Jul 2016 at 09:38

Nasher said:
The Minis don't hold their value better

Really

A works mini are still stupid prices, an ST is not

eatcustard · 1 Jul 2016 at 09:40

For me fun is in the handling and the Mini is much better than the ST (which is good) at it.

stuman · 1 Jul 2016 at 09:43

Nasher said:
Probably a way of cheating emissions tests tbh

But it will also slightly improve MPG in normal driving. You can get over 50 on a long motorway cruise, even with the MT upgrades installed.

Actually, that's quite a good idea, drop the boost when motorway cruising.

Now I just need to remember to throttle of and on again to "overtake".

Logsi · 1 Jul 2016 at 10:16

eatcustard said:
Really

A works mini are still stupid prices, an ST is not

They start off at silly money! Think i specced an equivalent Mini to my ST3 and it was nearing 30k...

dacads · 1 Jul 2016 at 16:36

I'm not sure on the quality of interior on either of those!

Nasher · 1 Jul 2016 at 17:14

eatcustard said:
Really

A works mini are still stupid prices, an ST is not

Yea you can almost have a Focus RS for specced up Works Mini money. No contest there :/

Plus an RS will barely loose any value (and then start appreciating) if it's anything like the mk2.

DAIR · 1 Jul 2016 at 17:46

Cleisthenes said:
I do like that, but I meant for the OP

I'm not sure a GP2 would come into budget though!

If the OP wants something a little raw and different. Then I too would suggest the GP1. I test drove one shortly before ditching my Corsa VXR. And I absolutely loved it... That SC engine just pulls and pulls. And the sound!!!!

Dr Who · 2 Jul 2016 at 09:57

eatcustard said:
For me fun is in the handling and the Mini is much better than the ST (which is good) at it.

On bumpy roads the ST is better than the Mini IMHO.

The Fiesta hangs on like a limpet and the steering is amazing with a really good self centring effect for fast direction changes.

The mini is slightly more Kart like and being lower down adds to the experience.

Dealing with traffic queues in the Fiesta makes you feel godlike, I was following 5 cars behind a concrete mixer who were getting very bunched and getting past them was like being on the motorway

DAIR · 2 Jul 2016 at 14:07

nas said:
No, GP2.

I really do miss that car lol!

Nasher · 2 Jul 2016 at 19:29

Dr Who said:
On bumpy roads the ST is better than the Mini IMHO.

The Fiesta hangs on like a limpet and the steering is amazing with a really good self centring effect for fast direction changes.

The mini is slightly more Kart like and being lower down adds to the experience.

Dealing with traffic queues in the Fiesta makes you feel godlike, I was following 5 cars behind a concrete mixer who were getting very bunched and getting past them was like being on the motorway

Yep, it's nice to have piles of torque on tap in such a light car. The power is just there all the time, it makes the car feel a lot more powerful that it is.

Dr Who · 2 Jul 2016 at 20:09

Nasher said:
Yep, it's nice to have piles of torque on tap in such a light car. The power is just there all the time, it makes the car feel a lot more powerful that it is.

It really does, and that exhaust note when you floor it is just spot on!

Economical as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk61zj8QJRw