Minimum speed/power requirement on Motorways

[Psycho Sonny]

they need to just stick a 50mph limit on corsa's and fiat 500's and ban them from using anything other than the left or middle lane. if they go in the right lane instant fine. same for similar vehicles. small, slow, etc.

also there should be commuter lanes. where the far right can only be used by a vehicle with 2 or more passengers. so you have 4 lanes slow - middle - fast - commuter. so a corsa could only use the first 2 regardless of how many occupants. if you have a decent car then you can use any lane bar the commuter unless you have 2 or more people in it.

taxis, vans, lorries, etc can only use the first 2 lanes. this is to encourage taxi users to use public transport and keep stress off roads.

 

[Armageus]

they need to just stick a 50mph limit on corsa's and fiat 500's and ban them from using anything other than the left or middle lane. if they go in the right lane instant fine.

Because?

 

[Psycho Sonny]

Because?

the amount of crashes I have seen where a corsa was involved and guess what zero survivors in the corsa too.

plenty of 500's flying past at stupid speeds too.

it's unsafe for idiots in those cars to be doing 80 mph in the rain. they are just going to hurt others as well as kill themselves.

 

[Nasher]

Usually see them in ditches around this time of year. Always at least one Corsa. Ford KAs are another one.

 

[Rroff]

it's unsafe for idiots in those cars to be doing 80 mph in the rain. they are just going to hurt others as well as kill themselves.

Goes for any vehicle really though - I've had enough mishaps driving relatively sensibly in bad conditions never mind how close some of these idiots come doing well in excess of the speed limit in poor conditions and what beats me is that they don't learn - they nearly hit someone because they can't stop or slide sideways due to aquaplaning or whatever and off they got straight upto silly speeds again.

 

[Lopéz]

I join the M1 South at J24 every day. Short, downhill slip road which merges down to 1 lane almost immediately. People navigate the roundabout exit so unbelievably slowly that there is always a chain of cars trying to join a steep uphill section of motorway at less than 30mph. I'm really surprised there aren't more incidents.

 

[Armageus]

it's unsafe for idiots in those cars to be doing 80 mph in the rain. they are just going to hurt others as well as kill themselves.

But it's fine for a 320d shod in linglongs amirite?


I refer you back to post 2 and common sense

 

[Psycho Sonny]

But it's fine for a 320d shod in linglongs amirite?


I refer you back to post 2 and common sense

They should ban budget tyres. Insurance companies should make it a requirement for owners to have a half decent tyre to have valid insurance.

Certain classes of vehicle need to be restricted speed wise. Especially ones young people will tend to drive and especially the smaller ones like the Corsa.

Fair enough of you are driving an x5 you can probably do 70 in the wet on the motorway no issues but the number of idiots I see fly past at 80-90 in the soaking wet in Corsas for guys and fiat 500's for the gals.

Yes common sense should be how it's done but how do you enforce that?

At least targeting certain cars would help. Insurance companies need to wisen up too.

 

[HangTime]

So the conversation was regarding the recent reduction from 150cc to 120cc which obviously only really affects scooters/motorcycles. However, the impression I got was that it covered all forms of vehicles and isn't specific to scooters/motorcycles (unless you have found something?).

No, that's the only thing I could find on it, and it didn't state anything about the top speed or power of the vehicle. So I'm not sure this Italian regulation would help in this situation as the number of cars with engines under 0.12L in size must be tiny (I tried to see how big this particular car's engine was and all I could find was 8bhp / 35mph top speed not the actual size, but due to engine efficiency in those days if it was cranking out 8bhp I would expect it to be bigger).

 

[wedrum]

all i know is if you use the first 2 lanes sharing with the artics being sandwiched your mad, bmw lane for me.

 

[Rroff]

Fair enough of you are driving an x5 you can probably do 70 in the wet on the motorway no issues but the number of idiots I see fly past at 80-90 in the soaking wet in Corsas for guys and fiat 500's for the gals.

Even big vehicles you can't be reckless - in fact in some ways worse as the high centre of mavity can be bad combined with situations of instability. Couple of times I've hit some puddles even at reduced speed in my Navara and been thrown around a bit (and that is with all-terrain, enhanced wet grip tires) - a poor reaction on the driver part could have turned them into situations.

 

[muon]

No, that's the only thing I could find on it, and it didn't state anything about the top speed or power of the vehicle. So I'm not sure this Italian regulation would help in this situation as the number of cars with engines under 0.12L in size must be tiny (I tried to see how big this particular car's engine was and all I could find was 8bhp / 35mph top speed not the actual size, but due to engine efficiency in those days if it was cranking out 8bhp I would expect it to be bigger).

I believe it has also recently been set at 11kW for electric vehicles. So could just apply similar logic.

I'm not saying we have to match Italy exactly.

It could also just be resolved by only allowing vehicles which can actually achieve say 50mph.

 

[Nasher]

Even big vehicles you can't be reckless - in fact in some ways worse as the high centre of mavity can be bad combined with situations of instability. Couple of times I've hit some puddles even at reduced speed in my Navara and been thrown around a bit (and that is with all-terrain, enhanced wet grip tires) - a poor reaction on the driver part could have turned them into situations.

The wide tyres have less grip in the wet and are more likely to aquaplane.

 

[Rroff]

The wide tyres have less grip in the wet and are more likely to aquaplane.

From what I understand that is an over simplification - wider tyres that are designed for enhanced wet grip I believe are actually better overall for wet conditions than narrower standard tyres or narrower tyres that have enhanced wet performance. Still a deep puddle doesn't half give me a kick that you don't get so much in a smaller car on narrower tyres.

 

[Nasher]

From what I understand that is an over simplification - wider tyres that are designed for enhanced wet grip I believe are actually better overall for wet conditions than narrower standard tyres or narrower tyres that have enhanced wet performance. Still a deep puddle doesn't half give me a kick that you don't get so much in a smaller car on narrower tyres.

Narrow is better in the wet (and snow) because the vehicle's weight is concentrated in to a smaller surface area. Most ATVs have quite narrow wheels with really deep tread for offroad work.

Wide with minimal tread gives the best dry grip.

 

[Rroff]

Narrow is better in the wet (and snow) because the vehicle's weight is concentrated in to a smaller surface area. Most ATVs have quite narrow wheels with really deep tread for offroad work.

Again over simplification - ATVs are another story again as you have ground clearance considerations and other factors as well and also have to balance with not getting bogged down in loose terrain, etc. often off-road armoured vehicles have big relatively narrow tyres while stuff like quads designed to be used around a farm, etc. typically have chunkier tyres.

 

[AhhBisto]

Rather then enforcing minimum power limits enforce better driving standards.

One rule so many drivers do not understand is think ahead and look as far forward as possible. So many drivers are reacting rather then being prepared for the hazard.

Also when you have a near accident don't stop your vehicle in the middle of any road or motorway, carry on if safe to do so. The amount of idiots that think the world revolves around them!

the amount of crashes I have seen where a corsa was involved and guess what zero survivors in the corsa too.

plenty of 500's flying past at stupid speeds too.

it's unsafe for idiots in those cars to be doing 80 mph in the rain. they are just going to hurt others as well as kill themselves.

It's funny you mention that, on a blind bend a 500 spun and crashed with minor damage the other week. Rather then moving the car somewhere safe he left it at the peak of the bend.
I only found our when an arctic decided to pass the vehicle whilst I was coming the other way. Idiot child was standing by his vehicle on the phone completely oblivious, If I hadn't had been taking caution of the bends it would have been a different story.

 

[snips86x]

They should ban budget tyres. Insurance companies should make it a requirement for owners to have a half decent tyre to have valid insurance.

Now this I agree with!! I replaced my alloys on my old fiesta and kept the tyre on them as I was selling it a few days later. I was at my mates in Newbury and doing 20mph on his estate, it'd just finished raining.

I skidded to a halt due to an oncoming car. They should never be allowed on the road.

 

[Jez]

Road safety is already very good in this country, when you say "ban budget tyres", i presume that you guys actually mean that you disagree with the standards which need to be met.

Ask @geekman about the safety standards in Mexico if you think ours need attention, he has posted some funny pictures

 

[[TW]Fox]

If you're driving sufficiently slowly in a car that laden HGVs are having to pull out and overtake you on a motorway or dual carriageway then you are driving tkk slowly. Why do people do it?

Even worse are those who join the motorway at all 30mph. Probably can't see properly over the 5 dashcams most terrible drivers seem to have these days.