Miss, Mrs, Ms

Largely irrelevant anecdote coming up, but my dad once had his nose broken in a hotel in the 1970s when opening the door for a woman carrying a tray of drinks. She promptly set down the tray, turned around and smacked him in the face.

Turned out these was a feminist conference on!
 
Freefaller said:
Ugh feminists. Ugh overzealous do gooders. It's just a title - it's something to look forward to changing your title - it's also just fact. Sure it should be irrelevant what your marital status is, but come on.... A 13 year old being called Mrs?!! :/

I also hate the word Ms - it's so pretentious and aggressive feminist. "No you shall not know my marital status, treat me special... I'm different... blah blah blah".

Besides the lack of or presence of a ring on the finger can easily advise people of their status.
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Agreed totally.

I recently had a run in with an agressive feminist who refused to place an order on our website, but felt the need to email and call because next to the box where title is requested it only had examples of Mr/Mrs/Miss and not Ms. She found it deeply offensive so I told her it was tough and if I was to cater for her then I should cater for all others such as the Dr, Lord, Lady, Major, Lieutenant, Corporal, Justice, Baron, Sir and many other titles we deal with every day - she soon shut up.
 
clv101 said:
You're rather missing the point. Why should a women reveal her marital status by her title (Miss vs Mrs) but a man not (Mr)? Using Ms isn't "pretentious and aggressive feminist", it's just using the equivalent title that men use.
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I don't give a hoot whether a woman is married or not - however, why should they be forced to say only "Madame"? It's pointless. If a woman wants to state herself as Mademoiselle then let her - all this stupid bureaucracy PC nonsense is just a yawnfest.
 
TRNC said:
Agreed totally.

I recently had a run in with an agressive feminist who refused to place an order on our website, but felt the need to email and call because next to the box where title is requested it only had examples of Mr/Mrs/Miss and not Ms. She found it deeply offensive so I told her it was tough and if I was to cater for her then I should cater for all others such as the Dr, Lord, Lady, Major, Lieutenant, Corporal, Justice, Baron, Sir and many other titles we deal with every day - she soon shut up.
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Would have loved to have listend to that convo! :D What an idiot.
 
Madam is the correct way to write to someone you don't know the name of e.g. Dear Sir / Madam.

Madame relates to someone in a formal / royal / prestigious possition.
 
King4aDay said:
Largely irrelevant anecdote coming up, but my dad once had his nose broken in a hotel in the 1970s when opening the door for a woman carrying a tray of drinks. She promptly set down the tray, turned around and smacked him in the face.

Turned out these was a feminist conference on!
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Reminds me of the Milton Jones one-liner: Militant feminists - I take my hat off to them, they don’t like that.
 
Bloody feminists. Give them a razor, tell them to shave their armpits and bush and get back in the bloody kitchen ;)
 
Nitefly said:
Master - male of <17 years
Mr - male of 17+ years
Ms - unmarried female
Mrs - married female

Edit - that is pretty sexist when you think about it :p
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Great try but wrong.

Ms - Female of 17+ years.

^^ that is the whole point of 'Ms' - Not a girl, nor defined by martial status.
 
Freefaller said:
I don't give a hoot whether a woman is married or not - however, why should they be forced to say only "Madame"? It's pointless. If a woman wants to state herself as Mademoiselle then let her - all this stupid bureaucracy PC nonsense is just a yawnfest.
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Sure, you may not give a hoot, but some women do. That's the whole point.

I think it's quite right that as the OP says, on forms for administration purposes, it should be Mr or Ms. The Miss/Mrs thing is discriminatory as there isn't the equivalent Mi/Mr for men. Why expect more information (marital status) from a woman than a man?
 
Miss - Unmarried
Ms - When you're unsure if married or not
Mrs - Married

That's how it should be used to be most practical.

How anyone can get offended by any of the above is pathetic. Discriminatory - makes me rage anyone that says that it is.
 
clv101 said:
Sure, you may not give a hoot, but some women do. That's the whole point.

I think it's quite right that as the OP says, on forms for administration purposes, it should be Mr or Ms. The Miss/Mrs thing is discriminatory as there isn't the equivalent Mi/Mr for men. Why expect more information (marital status) from a woman than a man?
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Because there's a box usually which asks, married, widowed, single, common law partnership etc..... Why exclude titles? It's pointless. And discriminatory?!! What?! Really?! People actually feel discriminated by something like that?! :rolleyes: Frankly they should be shot, in the head, in front of their kids... oh wait, no... you can't say that can you. Might offend the PC people!!!!!!! ;)
 
Freefaller said:
Because there's a box usually which asks, married, widowed, single, common law partnership etc..... Why exclude titles? It's pointless. And discriminatory?!! What?! Really?! People actually feel discriminated by something like that?! :rolleyes: Frankly they should be shot, in the head, in front of their kids... oh wait, no... you can't say that can you. Might offend the PC people!!!!!!! ;)
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All I can say is that I know plenty of perfectly reasonably people who don't like having to divulge their marital status on every other random form they fill in. Why should they, when men don't? What's hard to understand about that? :confused:
 
I just don't get the issue of divulging such information. I really don't get why people are so protective. Besides, the ring gives it away anyway. And if you remove your ring at the work place or for an interview or in day to day life why exchange rings and be married at all?

I guess we just find each other's view points odd. That's what makes the world the interesting place it is! :D
 
clv101 said:
All I can say is that I know plenty of perfectly reasonably people who don't like having to divulge their marital status on every other random form they fill in. Why should they, when men don't? What's hard to understand about that? :confused:
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I agree with the sentiment. I think woman should be entitled to keep that information personal if they want to.
 
Nitefly said:
I agree with the sentiment. I think woman should be entitled to keep that information personal if they want to.
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How about those that DON'T want to keep it to themselves?

Though to be honest, it really doesn't bother me what people want to do. However, I'm fed up with some women biting my head off because I dared call them the wrong thing. Seriously, there's more important things to worry about than getting offended about a bloody title.
 
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