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how many posts do i need to get into mm?
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To be fair, I've sold quite a few things and bought a few on the MM and I've never really had a problem with the rules. They aren't that hard to follow! I'd rather sell my computing stuff here than anywhere else as I've been screwed over on Ebay in the past! There are a lot of worse forums for selling where people are constantly bumping etc or even stricter forums such as the SC.net forums where to advertise on there, you have to write a listing and then submit it to a mod for approval before it gets listed! I've found OcUK to be a nice balance between the two..
My experience of MM has also left a bitter taste in the mouth. It seems that justification for the rules being so strict is constantly linked to how safe it is to sell here. It's an internet forum. A public internet forum. I would rate ebay infinitely safer than here. Yes ebay attracts scammers and complete morons, but you have a massive amount of buyer protection there including paypal etc. So please can we stop harping on about it being so safe to trade here. Yes MM attracts like minded individuals most of the time, but there's nothing to stop someone scamming someone if they want to. We have seen it many times before on the forum with people having disputes and being scammed.
The main way to keep safety in MM was already implemented years ago with the amount of posts and time on the forum required to post there. The addition of the many intricate rules about bumping and the likes, only hampers genuine users of the MM and provides no additional safety what so ever. OCUK are not affiliated or responsible for deals made on the forums (this is reminded throughout the rules), so why implement so many rules for "safety". It's a poor excuse.
I have had infractions for asking if somebody would consider selling a case without a PSU and also for emailing somebody a question about an item. I emailed them deliberately so as not to get told off for spamming/bumping a thread, only to be given an infraction for emailing them instead! I'm sorry but...an infraction for emailing someone's trust email?
The attitude and behaviour of the mods in MM is inconsistent, unfair and over the top. As an example, I recently expressed interest in an item from a member who was failing to update their thread. They even posted on these forums but ignored emails and posts in the thread wasting everyones time. For this (to my knowledge) all they had done was had their thread closed. On the other hand, if you do something that a mod considers a bump you might get a ban.
People are not happy here with the mods yet nothing is done about it. There is no way to appeal properly. Emails are ignored if you email about a decision in my experience. Additionally, "the mods word is final" seems to be battered about a bit. Well yes...we get that, but we wouldn't have to argue if you used a bit more common sense and fairness, not to mention trying to keep things friendly.
Since OCUK state themselves not to be affiliated with selling on MM, why can all deals and offers not be done via trust email? A simple way to implement items for sale would be to allow a person to make a thread and then it is instantly locked so nobody can reply. Only the OP can be edited by the person who made it updating on prices and what is available. This would prevent any modding being required, apart from checking the original threads made for sale. Nobody would have to worry about bumping, and all correspondence is done via email. The argument to this is that "all offers should be kept on the forum", yet OCUK are not affiliated with sales in MM. You see the contradiction here.
All disputes generally can be solved by the above implementation and would make life much easier for everyone yet no forum seems to take this stance. So instead of that, toning down the moderation and bannings/suspensions would be most welcome for many. It is also very frustrating for people to constantly refer to being able to read properly, in jest to any rule breaking. Get realistic please. Not all of us have time to read the rules constantly to check and apply them to something we are about to post. They are forever being updated and sometimes we just post genuine information we feel is fine and don't feel at risk of breaking any rules. Otherwise, why would we post in the first place? Then suddenly...ban hammer.
You must understand as users of the MM how we feel in using it sometimes? I would use words to describe it like "farse" as opposed to "easy". People are scared to even post there let alone sell. Can you not see that it used to be booming in there and nowadays not so?
I'd like to see some common sense.
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You get what you pay for... remind me how much you paid to sign up to the forum + how much the mods get paid.....
(not that i disagree they are harsh, but if you dont pay anything for a service what do you expect)
oh ok, when did that change.
Should make it the same for the 7 day rule, although 14day would be enough.
It never did Acid.
So are you saying you think you should be allowed two 7 day bumps?
TC.
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I love the MM, I dont sell stuff but I infrequently buy stuff, I like that it's tightly controlled, less mess and makes it harder to get stung. Keep it the way its going, I dont think I'd buy second hand hardware anywhere else!
Yeah, I've done it for years and years, it's an accepted bump that costs the seller.
Guess I'm gonna have to read these new rules, as that seems mad. Repeated price drops AFTER 24hours are treated as bumps? lol... that's madness, why would you do this? It will just drive people away to advertise their stuff elsewhere.
I'll read the new stuff to confirm. I wouldn't sell half the stuff I advertise though for the normally very low prices if I didn't repeat price drop, and members wouldn't get a chance to get a bargain.
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I'm not sure if you've got the wrong end of the stick, I'm sure we can still price drop after every 24hours?
You're right. These new rules do not change the existing rules. 24 hour price drops are not regarded as bumps.
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Well there you have it, np, plus now we can have an 'official' bump after 7 days of no activity
.Well there you have it, np, plus now we can have an 'official' bump after 7 days of no activity
You got it
Also with the 7 day bump you don't need to drop the price.lol, cool
Just read the rules and was gonna post the same.Don't think there's anything wrong with the rules that I see. You're now even allowed a singular 7 day bump now, so we've gained something.
An appeals process would be nice though, especially for 'minor' infractions.
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I think beyond your 7-day bump you're not allowed to relist because it's already in an (in)active thread, just price drops allowed to get you back up there.
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Still banned for bumping 3 minutes before the 24 hours were up.
I think i saw that one, thought that was harsh lol
I just wanted to make a quick comment regarding the above, whereby someone has been suspended but from an outside point of view (i.e. the member is not part of the moderating team) it seems as if the suspension was unwarranted. People who are not part of the moderating team do not have access to the information which the administrators and moderators have access too and therefore, whilst as a member of the forums it may come across as an unwarranted suspension, it most likely isn't due to that members history. Please do not judge unless you have access to all of the relevant information.
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