Yes but even so, for a new player I find it extremely hard to know where I am or what im doing. I don't feel any sense of direction when im playing. Thats not to say of course that im not enjoying the game as blowing stuff up can be extremely... satisfying.
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Well some people have been playing for 10 years or so and have a squillion million in the bank and every item in game, but they are few and far between.
PvE is fun as a bard, pvp is a bit meh now since item insurance came in but RPPvP (Enforced pvp rules of engagment) is great if you join the right community. You could make a theif, a looter, go hunting for houses full of loot that are going to collapse, place your own house and spend hours customising it. Loooads of stuff to do!
Well, ive started playing Eve (3 days into my trial) and my first impressions are quite mixed. I do love the idea of the skill system and ship customization, however im not quite sure what there is to do...
PvE is virtually non-existent, something I like to jump into asap when I play an mmo and there doesn't seem to be any form of storyline to play through. I am of course, only 3 days in so these features may yet appear however today all I have found myself doing is logging in to change skills. Theres no real motivation to jump in and play.
Crunch time tomorrow as the LOTRO offer ends. Decisions, Decisions.
Just a thought - EvE is actually more of a galactic business simulation. Unless you can afford to replace those hugely expensive ships you lose so often you get nowhere. The economy is based on masses of players mining resources, building components and ships, buying components and ships, blowing each other up and starting again.
Yes I fully understand McQuaid's utter incompetence as a project manager and have posted before in these forums about the sad mess called Vanguard. Trouble with Vanguard when I played it was 1) Still stuck in the world where game designers think people want to grind mobs for ages to progress, 2) Designers still stuck in the world where they think people don't want to solo in a MMO so that much of the content is group only. 3) Not enough people playing to be able to form groups as needed, 4) Crafting is a very complex unprofitable time sink (and I spent weeks getting to grips with the crafting - excel spreadsheets and all!) 5) Diplomacy didn't really do anything for me - another time sink. Not to say the game isn't worth trying though just to see what its like.
As for SOE - that is another issue. I just don'r like the way they do businness and present their services on the Web. Some of the promises on the Vanguard sign up page were simply out and out lies at game release in the UK.
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@EffBee and all the other Eve people: just HOW time-intensive is it? I've been thinking about taking up this game, or at least giving the free trial a go, but will it totally eat up my life? I know you can train skills offline, so in theory it should be LESS time-intensive than other games, shouldn't it? Comments like:
Is the 14-day trial worth it? I'm more of a pvp person, don't fancy mining asteroids, so if is there much of a point in playing for only 2 weeks, since mostly everyone else will be able to blow me out of the sky by sneezing at me? Or is there any way to take part in pvp in some meaningful way as a newbie?
) the best and most balanced team-based pvp of any online RPG. It's a lot of fun, but it won't satisfy people who want open world-roaming pvp where they can just pounce on people they meet in the street. (and I can see the attraction of that, but I think GW's team-based stuff is much more fun and meaningful!)
However, if you've only got 2 months it's probably the best game to take up, because it's BY FAR the easiest to get into (not that it's easy, but at least you don't have to grind for top-level gear before you can compete: you can do pve in the starting areas or create a max-level, max-equipment pvp-only character and just straight at the deep end from the get-go!), it's got a pve campaign with a storyline that you can easily get through in that time, and because there's no monthly subscription, so once your schedule becomes too busy to play you can put it on your shelf and pick it up again whenever you can afford the time - your only monetary investment is the initial cost of the game (and you can pick it up very cheap nowadays)!
confuse me, I don't understand where the time goes! Is it in the same sense that you do a raid/instance in another MMO and it takes a set amount of time? Surely not, right? Or simply in the sense that you're not competitive at low level so you need to get rich and buy a powerful ship ASAP so you grind non-stop for money?
Is the 14-day trial worth it? I'm more of a pvp person, don't fancy mining asteroids, so if is there much of a point in playing for only 2 weeks, since mostly everyone else will be able to blow me out of the sky by sneezing at me? Or is there any way to take part in pvp in some meaningful way as a newbie?
It's a great game, played it for over 2 years, but it's technically not an MMO as it's all instanced. It has by most people's admission (and in this I'm going by the opinion of people who've played more MMOs, not people like myself who've only played Guild Wars and just repeat the NCSoft marketting mantras
) the best and most balanced team-based pvp of any online RPG. It's a lot of fun, but it won't satisfy people who want open world-roaming pvp where they can just pounce on people they meet in the street. (and I can see the attraction of that, but I think GW's team-based stuff is much more fun and meaningful!)However, if you've only got 2 months it's probably the best game to take up, because it's BY FAR the easiest to get into (not that it's easy, but at least you don't have to grind for top-level gear before you can compete: you can do pve in the starting areas or create a max-level, max-equipment pvp-only character and just straight at the deep end from the get-go!), it's got a pve campaign with a storyline that you can easily get through in that time, and because there's no monthly subscription, so once your schedule becomes too busy to play you can put it on your shelf and pick it up again whenever you can afford the time - your only monetary investment is the initial cost of the game (and you can pick it up very cheap nowadays)!
@EffBee and all the other Eve people: just HOW time-intensive is it? I've been thinking about taking up this game, or at least giving the free trial a go, but will it totally eat up my life? I know you can train skills offline, so in theory it should be LESS time-intensive than other games, shouldn't it? Comments like:
confuse me, I don't understand where the time goes! Is it in the same sense that you do a raid/instance in another MMO and it takes a set amount of time? Surely not, right? Or simply in the sense that you're not competitive at low level so you need to get rich and buy a powerful ship ASAP so you grind non-stop for money?
Is the 14-day trial worth it? I'm more of a pvp person, don't fancy mining asteroids, so if is there much of a point in playing for only 2 weeks, since mostly everyone else will be able to blow me out of the sky by sneezing at me? Or is there any way to take part in pvp in some meaningful way as a newbie?
It's a great game, played it for over 2 years, but it's technically not an MMO as it's all instanced. It has by most people's admission (and in this I'm going by the opinion of people who've played more MMOs, not people like myself who've only played Guild Wars and just repeat the NCSoft marketting mantras
However, if you've only got 2 months it's probably the best game to take up, because it's BY FAR the easiest to get into (not that it's easy, but at least you don't have to grind for top-level gear before you can compete: you can do pve in the starting areas or create a max-level, max-equipment pvp-only character and just straight at the deep end from the get-go!), it's got a pve campaign with a storyline that you can easily get through in that time, and because there's no monthly subscription, so once your schedule becomes too busy to play you can put it on your shelf and pick it up again whenever you can afford the time - your only monetary investment is the initial cost of the game (and you can pick it up very cheap nowadays)!
Someone worked out it would take 25 years to get all the skills in EvE. I don't think you will get much meaningful PvP after 2 weeks.
After a couple of months you can have enough skills to be moderately effective at PvP one on one, but only with a specific type of ship / gun / tactic.
Most PvP isn't one on one anyway, so if you get into a good 0.0 corp you can start fighting pretty quickly.
The time-intensiveness comes from keeping enough cash to buy new ships and refit them every time you get blown up. There are a lot of ways you can do this - killing NPC pirates, playing the markets, manufacturing, running missions for NPCs or god forbid, mining.
Been playing eve for a few years it's always good fun.
Although I'm taking a break from that and I'm playing pirates of the burning sea at the moment. I'm really enjoying this so how I'm going to play both at once I've not figured out yet hehe.
Although I'm taking a break from that and I'm playing pirates of the burning sea at the moment. I'm really enjoying this so how I'm going to play both at once I've not figured out yet hehe.
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If you want to contact me ingame i'll be more that willing to help you, i've been in eve for almost 3 years now so i know where to point you! My ingame char is Irvin.
I was in an excellent guild, but unfortunately whenever I did something non guild orientated I found the majority of PUG members to be either 12 year olds or morons. Then there were the spamming tells, that either came from complete strangers asking for gold, or a chinese bloke telling me how amazingly cheap the gold is on his website.
Was I unlucky? I don't think so. Though I gave it a year and did enjoy it at the start.
Each to their own.
If you ae worried about WoW stealing your life then don't play Eve, although skills train while you are offline it still requires quite a lot of time. As for LOTR, well it is just another EQ clone. No PVP. For nubs really.
Eve is hardcore because it is open PVP in many areas meaning you can't go anywhere solo,or you WILL get OWNED and it isn't like WoW where you just run back to your corpse, depending on what you lost it could be a few hours or never before you get it all back.
It can be an ass if you need to go to bed but are half way through an OP. All I can advise is play with people in your time zone and agree when you are going to go back to your alliance space/empire so you dont have to log off behind enemy lines.
WoW is just really shallow, there is no point to being in a clan, you can't have a clanhouse or any kind of clan assets nor is there inter clan PVP, it is all RVR so what is the point. for nubs.
Racism in L2 isn't exactly racism, it is more anti Farmer/ Adena seller. it just so happens that 99.999% of them are Chinese.
SOE aint that bad, Planetside was the bomb and as naff as EQ is now it is what most modern MMOs pre WOW were based on. Anarchy Online was a good game and if I am correct is getting a new engine. The Agency also looks interesting.
I am a MMO addict/snob/ general hater of all things carebear.
Eve is hardcore because it is open PVP in many areas meaning you can't go anywhere solo,or you WILL get OWNED and it isn't like WoW where you just run back to your corpse, depending on what you lost it could be a few hours or never before you get it all back.
It can be an ass if you need to go to bed but are half way through an OP. All I can advise is play with people in your time zone and agree when you are going to go back to your alliance space/empire so you dont have to log off behind enemy lines.
WoW is just really shallow, there is no point to being in a clan, you can't have a clanhouse or any kind of clan assets nor is there inter clan PVP, it is all RVR so what is the point. for nubs.
Racism in L2 isn't exactly racism, it is more anti Farmer/ Adena seller. it just so happens that 99.999% of them are Chinese.
SOE aint that bad, Planetside was the bomb and as naff as EQ is now it is what most modern MMOs pre WOW were based on. Anarchy Online was a good game and if I am correct is getting a new engine. The Agency also looks interesting.
I am a MMO addict/snob/ general hater of all things carebear.
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Well, crunch time has come and im sticking with EVE. When I have something to do its an extremely enjoyable game, and one I can easily drop in and out of without a need to spend hours at a time gaining experience or coin.
Ive been playing for 3 days, raised enough money to buy a Caracal and have made a fair few skill progressions. Im just really looking for a corporation right now. I was thinking about joining one of my mates ones but I thought id pose this question first, is there an OCUK one?
Ive been playing for 3 days, raised enough money to buy a Caracal and have made a fair few skill progressions. Im just really looking for a corporation right now. I was thinking about joining one of my mates ones but I thought id pose this question first, is there an OCUK one?
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Definitly stick with Eve, I'm a month off of having played two years. Theres just nothing else like it. I've been a lowsec pirate for the past 6 months or so (3ish months in my own corp mainly solo, and the rest and currently with Veto) making my isk from ship/pod ransoms and loot if they dont pay up. Making a living off of pvp isnt easy at all, but its possible (just a few days ago I got a 107mill cut (1.5 bill total) from a carrier we ransomed). And before that I spent 6 months in 0.0 fighting in some of the big wars that you read about in Caod/GBBS. Stick with the game at least a month or two and you'll really see what its all about.
Just some tips for starting out. Get into a cruiser (caracal is good) and insure it, and start making money buy doing level 2s (you can do level 1s if your not confident with your ship, but those are really ment for frigs) or lowsec/0.0 ratting if your feeling adventurous and can afford to lose your ship (this is what I did for the first few months I played).
When your in your cruiser and feel you can make money, make sure you train learning skills, dont worry about the advanced ones for now but get the basic ones to level 3 at least aswell as the learning skill to 3. Get some implants, +1s or +2s depending on how much isk you've got. This will speed up your skill training loads. Also, download EveMon. It is a program that keeps track of your skills and what your training, letting you know when skills finish. Its also a great for planning out what your going to train.
Always remember its never too early to give pvp a shot, just make sure you never fly somthing you cant afford to loose. You'll likely die a lot when your starting out, but you'll get better. The experience you get from pvping means much more than how many sps you've got.
Make sure you join a good corp to start out with. I personally stayed in the beginer corp for 3 or so months, but I had other friends who played the game that I was in contact with. From what i've heard Eve Uni is great and I think they help people start pvping aswell.
Anyways, I think you said you've got roommates who also play, they will be a great help I expect. Good luck and enjoy yourself
Just some tips for starting out. Get into a cruiser (caracal is good) and insure it, and start making money buy doing level 2s (you can do level 1s if your not confident with your ship, but those are really ment for frigs) or lowsec/0.0 ratting if your feeling adventurous and can afford to lose your ship (this is what I did for the first few months I played).
When your in your cruiser and feel you can make money, make sure you train learning skills, dont worry about the advanced ones for now but get the basic ones to level 3 at least aswell as the learning skill to 3. Get some implants, +1s or +2s depending on how much isk you've got. This will speed up your skill training loads. Also, download EveMon. It is a program that keeps track of your skills and what your training, letting you know when skills finish. Its also a great for planning out what your going to train.
Always remember its never too early to give pvp a shot, just make sure you never fly somthing you cant afford to loose. You'll likely die a lot when your starting out, but you'll get better. The experience you get from pvping means much more than how many sps you've got.
Make sure you join a good corp to start out with. I personally stayed in the beginer corp for 3 or so months, but I had other friends who played the game that I was in contact with. From what i've heard Eve Uni is great and I think they help people start pvping aswell.
Anyways, I think you said you've got roommates who also play, they will be a great help I expect. Good luck and enjoy yourself
Or maybe it's just the kind of game that has a half decent community that doesn't call people nubs because they don't like the same type of gameplay you do.