Mobile phone masts..

Efour2 said:
Id rather have 1000 wind turbines than 1 mobile mast.

My local "cathloic" junior school recently had a massive protest about a mobile fun mast that was going up ontop of an office building next door to it.

I know its cliche to talk about the health risks of these things but surely Its so completely un natural its got to be damaging us somehow..
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Just about everything humans do these days is unnatural, so it's got to be damaging us somehow....

In all fairness, if that's the best criticism you can manage, it's rather ineffectual. What happened to actually making informed decisions based on clear evidence?

For anyone interested, there's quite a good section on masts and networks here.

http://www1.orange.co.uk/about/phone_masts/index_noflash.html

Yes, it belongs to a mobile network, but it also contains actual independant science (unlike most of the anti sites), and breaks each part down in detail.
 
Well im sorry i dont want everywhere dotted with masts. Ill just wait for the clear evidence to shift when we/they more about it and they all get ripped down

Just so more people can "txt" each other asking " r u gng 2 the pub" from the middle of a park.

Sorry i am not a great fan of mobile phones they have been the bane of my working life. I used to get in a cold sweat everytime i heard it ring :p

On a side note, im sure its been said before a few people have said when using a mobile for a few minutes they experiance a mild headache or "hot ear feeling" no, nothing to do with pushing it to close to the head.. I get that too.
 
I've never had a headache from use of a mobile :shrug:

More people want them than don't want them so you're in the minority so whether you want masts or not shouldn't really have an effect :)
 
Well it shouldnt, but it usually does if you are vocal enough.

More coverage, more calls, more money and we are conditioned to want it and need mobile phones 24/7 in every conceivable location in our country


i really dont like them :)
 
Efour2 said:
Well it shouldnt, but it usually does if you are vocal enough.

More coverage, more calls, more money and we are conditioned to want it and need mobile phones 24/7 in every conceivable location in our country


i really dont like them :)
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There is an easy compromise, turn your phone off, leave it at home, ignore it :) It's what I do. A phone can't rule your life unless you let it. However, when I do turn my phone on, I want it to work, irrespective of where I am.
 
The radiation emitted from a mobile phone mast is strongest in the direction of the antennae as opposed to directly below it. So if were mounted on a school, the persons inside would receive far less radiation than say Mrs Bloggs living 300m or so away.

Also if you're ever in doubt of the safety of mobile phone masts, simply ask the opinion of an RF engineer, he'll give more than a frank answer. They don't even let them climb the masts without massively dropping output first, for fear of cancer/sterilization etc.
 
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norm said:
The radiation emitted from a mobile phone mast is strongest in the direction of the antennae as opposed to directly below it. So if were mounted on a school, the persons inside would receive far less radiation than say Mrs Bloggs living 300m or so away.
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Wrong, power levels from a mast drop via an inverse square with distance. The signal is partly directional, but it will always be stronger closer to the mast than further away from it.

You do know the average output of a current mast is about 80watts full stop too, right?

TV masts are far more of a problem if radio waves are an issue, given that their output is some 10,000 times higher...

Also if you're ever in doubt of the safety of mobile phone masts, simply ask the opinion of an RF engineer, he'll give more than a frank answer. They don't even let them climb the masts without massively dropping output first, for fear of cancer/sterilization etc.
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Drivel, there has never been any study that has suggested any risk whatsoever of cancer or sterlisation from radiowaves. The only effect ever observed (in the 100 years or so we've been using this kind of technology for various things) is the heating effect. For this to be even slightly a problem, you have to be within about half a metre of the actual transmitter, hence why they will power them down for maintainance.

If there is any 'fear of...' stuff about mobile phone masts, it's based on scaremongering, not actual evidence. Continuing to spread such crap doesn't actually help anyone hold an informed viewpoint.
 
Dolph said:
Wrong, power levels from a mast drop via an inverse square with distance. The signal is partly directional, but it will always be stronger closer to the mast than further away from it.
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I don't deny it'll be stronger closer to the mast. I'm talking from the perspective of underneath it, which is generally the point of concern when it's mounted on a school or whatever.
 
I don't think that they are particularly attractive and more could be done to disguise them or at least negate the amount to which they stand out especially in rural areas but I find it convenient to use a mobile phone so I can't say too much against them.

As has been mentioned they are a handy additional source of income for farmers/landowners, they can be placed in fields that are otherwise too small to be utilised much and require minimal attention it would appear so aren't much of an inconvenience in comparison to the regular income stream.
 
Dolph said:
Drivel, there has never been any study that has suggested any risk whatsoever of cancer or sterlisation from radiowaves.
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Just because it's unproven at the moment is no reason to dismiss the potential dangers completely. I don't need to tell you mobile-phone use is an emerging technology and nobody knows what the long term effects could be.

And finally RF radiation at high enough levels is known to cause biological effects, it just so happens mobile phones operate at a low enough level to be deemed safe.
 
norm said:
Just because it's unproven at the moment is no reason to dismiss the potential dangers completely. I don't need to tell you mobile-phone use is an emerging technology and nobody knows what the long term effects could be.
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In nearly all respects, the way mobile phones use radio frequencies is pretty much the same as the way any other radio device uses them. A mobile phone is ultimately just a fancy two way radio system. The only difference is that a series of computers ensure that the traffic between two handsets is routed correctly. two way radio communications like that have been around for a hundred years or so...

And finally RF radiation at high enough levels is known to cause biological effects, it just so happens mobile phones operate at a low enough level to be deemed safe.
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Actually, they operate at a level (on average) of several thousand times lower than the level deemed to be safe, at least in terms of the transmitter radiation levels. The highest recorded value anywhere in the country was still 279 times lower than the safe limit, and that was a serious anomoly... (Ofcom figures obtained in their annual surveys)

What you seem to be claiming is that even though repeated studies have shown no effects, you want to assume the effects are there...
 
Really intresting thread. Has anyone else had the feeling or you wake up 4-5 seconds before your phone rings.

I've had it a few times. Just really wierd. Not scare mongering just got a feeling there must be something in that , its happened quite a few times to me and girlfriend
 
at college the other day my teacher brought in a radiation detector thing, and we each in turn turned out phone off, put it near the detector, then turned the phone back on.....its amazing just HOW MUCH radiation actually come off phones :eek:

And i have one in my right pocket now next to my man hood :(
 
Dolph said:
In nearly all respects, the way mobile phones use radio frequencies is pretty much the same as the way any other radio device uses them. A mobile phone is ultimately just a fancy two way radio system. The only difference is that a series of computers ensure that the traffic between two handsets is routed correctly. two way radio communications like that have been around for a hundred years or so...
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I don't see the need for the comparison between two-way radios and mobile phones purely because they share a similar technology. The crux of the matter is the microwave frequency mobile phones operate on.

In much the same way asbestos wasn't discovered as being harmful to humans until much later, the same could be true for prolonged mobile phone use.

I don't presume there's a link, just don't rule it out.
 
This is the way to do it:
http://freepage.twoday.net/stories/2559057/

That's the village that I live in, and one guy complaining about the possible health implications has forced proceedings to grind to a halt. What an idiot.

"A number of people spoke from the floor at the public meeting. A few took the line that no one who uses a mobile phone has a right to complain about a mast but most people seemed to be worried about the health implications."
 
The_KiD said:
When I was in South Africa, it was pointed out to me that they hide the telephone masts in fake trees, like this but more realistic:
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I wonder if the bloke who came up with the fake tree design was previously a failed Rally game artist ?

"call that a tree ? yer sacked...!"

:p
 
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