Mobile Vega announced - will it mean a new midrange SKU being released??

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

It seems AMD has announced mobile Vega:

https://videocardz.com/74712/amd-finally-announces-discrete-mobile-radeon-vega

Also at around the same time Intel finally released more information and some benchmarks of the new 65W TDP SKUs which have AMD GPUs with 24 CUs and 4GB of HBM2:

https://videocardz.com/74640/intel-8th-gen-core-with-radeon-rx-vega-gpu-presentation-leaked
https://videocardz.com/74631/intel-launches-8th-gen-core-processor-with-radeon-rx-vega-graphics

Interestingly enough Intel has said the top SKU is a tad faster than a GTX1060 Max-Q.

Whats the chance they are both basically the same part - what are the chances this will replace the current Polaris based SKUs this year??

Or do people think it will only stay for mobile usage??

Edit!!

https://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/113903-amd-details-2018-plans-radeon-gpus/

It is likely that a variant of that GPU will find itself as the guts of the Radeon Vega mobile discrete GPU line-up, though other than mentioning the impressive 1.7mm package z-height and HBM2 memory usage (which is the same as the Intel SKU), no details were given with respect to specifications, performance, and release date.

So,does that mean they have access to Intel packaging technology too??

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thanks for Armageus pointing this out in the AMD CES thread:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-core-i7-g-with-radeon-rx-vega-spec-analysis

It looks like the top SKU has 64 ROPS which is highly unusual for a part with only 1536 shaders. The lower end SKU with 1280 shaders only has 32 shaders and looks to be in-between a GTX1050 and GTX1050TI.

 

[jigger]

1280 SP chip would make a good desktop card.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Wow the cat is out of the bag, RX Vega M GL and GH are not really Vega chips after all and it not based on GCN 5.0 architecture.

It now finally exposed as Polaris 22 chips still based on old GCN 4.0 architecture.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3056/radeon-rx-vega-m-gh
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3061/radeon-rx-vega-m-gl

RX Vega M chips codenamed Polaris 22 is just modified Polaris 20 to use HBM2 memory.

Why the chips are called RX Vega M instead of RX Polaris M? Was Intel completed aware AMD supplied Polaris 22 chips to them?

I am really shocked at this, feel very sorry to unsuspected customers who will buy Intel laptops with fake RX Vega M IGP.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Wow the cat is out of the bag, RX Vega M GL and GH are not really Vega chips after all and it not based on GCN 5.0 architecture.

It now finally exposed as Polaris 22 chips still based on old GCN 4.0 architecture.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3056/radeon-rx-vega-m-gh
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3061/radeon-rx-vega-m-gl

RX Vega M chips codenamed Polaris 22 is just modified Polaris 20 to use HBM2 memory.

Why the chips are called RX Vega M instead of RX Polaris M? Was Intel completed aware AMD supplied Polaris 22 chips to them?

I am really shocked at this, feel very sorry to unsuspected customers who will buy Intel laptops with fake RX Vega M IGP.

Why would you feel sorry for them as Polaris is a match for Nvidia Pascal in every way apart from power draw. Do you now feel sorry for all Pascal users. Intel would have approved the design and would know what they were getting. Seems to me that Polaris would have been a cheaper deal for Intel and Vega probably did not offer anything much on top of Polaris for what they needed.

Still not sure why it would be classed as Vega when it is a Polaris chip though. Most likely Intel wanted the Vega name on there though for obvious reasons as it does not benefit AMD at all. As far as i am aware the new AMD Apu's do use Vega. Maybe the deal with Intel was they could use AMD power but just not the newest tech. Only Intel stand to gain from a lie though if you ask me.

 

[shankly1985]

Wow the cat is out of the bag, RX Vega M GL and GH are not really Vega chips after all and it not based on GCN 5.0 architecture.

It now finally exposed as Polaris 22 chips still based on old GCN 4.0 architecture.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3056/radeon-rx-vega-m-gh
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/3061/radeon-rx-vega-m-gl

RX Vega M chips codenamed Polaris 22 is just modified Polaris 20 to use HBM2 memory.

Why the chips are called RX Vega M instead of RX Polaris M? Was Intel completed aware AMD supplied Polaris 22 chips to them?

I am really shocked at this, feel very sorry to unsuspected customers who will buy Intel laptops with fake RX Vega M IGP.

Am not sure just how much info they have is correct because I have had a little read about and everything apart from this site is saying VEGA. Now these are the only ones telling us its GCN 4.0 and not 5.0 But that alone isn't waht makes VEGA a VEGA GPU!

HBCC - High bandwidth cache controller and HBM 2 is what makes VEGA a VEGA GPU.

So the spec of the Intel AMD APU is more closer to a VEGA GPU than a Polaris GPU. Even if the core is closer to Polaris than VEGA but using VEGA hardware. Why would AMD pick a older GPU naming scheme? Its more VEGA than it is Polaris.

https://www.pcper.com/files/review/2018-01-05/kblg-11.jpg

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[sideways14a]

Techpowerup must be wrong, its not the first time.

 

[KillBoY_UK]

Am not sure just how much info they have is correct because I have had a little read about and everything apart from this site is saying VEGA. Now these are the only ones telling us its GCN 4.0 and not 5.0 But that alone isn't waht makes VEGA a VEGA GPU!

HBCC - High bandwidth cache controller and HBM 2 is what makes VEGA a VEGA GPU.

So the spec of the Intel AMD APU is more closer to a VEGA GPU than a Polaris GPU. Even if the core is closer to Polaris than VEGA but using VEGA hardware. Why would AMD pick a older GPU naming scheme? Its more VEGA than it is Polaris.

https://www.pcper.com/files/review/2018-01-05/kblg-11.jpg[/QUOTE]

Until its in the hands of people we wont truly know

 

[bru]

Certainly sounds like someone has got it wrong somewhere and there is no chance at all that Intel didn't know exactly what they were getting. God what a coup that would be if they didn't know and AMD had pulled a fast one, that would be almost NVidia worthy.

 

[D.P.]

Of course Intel knew what they were getting. Intel probably also relaied that the GCN 5 additions were not that important , as witness in the Vega vs Fury benchmarks at equal clocks.

AMD just did another rebrand of sorts, albeit with the inclusion of an HBM memory controller.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The SKU has been reviewed:

https://wccftech.com/intel-hades-canyon-nuc-core-i7-8809g-amd-rx-vega-gpu-tested/

 

[Diagro]

impressive for an all in one solution. Really tempted for my next PC. But that cooling needs beefing up.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

A few websites have reviewed the 8809G based NUC:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12572/the-intel-hades-canyon-nuc8i7hvk-review-kaby-lakeg-benchmarked
https://hothardware.com/reviews/intel-nuc-nuc8i7hvk-hades-canyon-review
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...a-takes-trip-Hades-Canyon/Graphics-Comparison
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-hades-canyon-nuc-vr,5536.html

AT places performance between a GTX960 and a GTX980,and it seems a bit faster overall than a desktop GTX1050TI.

Edit!!

Some other reviews:

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8574/intel-hades-canyon-nuc8i7hvk-review/index.html
https://gizmodo.com/rivals-intel-and-amd-got-together-and-made-something-be-1824178636
https://www.digitaltrends.com/desktop-computer-reviews/intel-hades-canyon-nuc8i7hvk-review/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/3267074/computers/intel-hades-canyon-nuc-nuc8i7hvk-review.html
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/intel-hades-canyon-nuc

 

[WantoN]

Very interesting, the next gen of gaming capable laptops could be very tempting.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

$999 is far too expensive for a barebone NUC8i7HVK that did not included HDD/SDD, RAM and OS, it is exactly the same price as ASUS ROG GR8 II-T017Z Mini PC included with i5-7400 CPU, GTX 1060, 8GB RAM, 1TB HDD and Windows 10 Home. Or you can get barebone Zotac Magnus ER51060 that came with first gen 4C/8T Ryzen 5 1400 CPU and GTX 1060 for $799 or less but it will be discontinued in summer expected to be replace by a new model that will come with second gen 6C/12T Ryzen 5 2600 CPU and Volta/Ampere/Turing or whatever GTX 1160/2060 with RTX technology at GTX 1080 performance level for the same price.

Shocked to read that Vega M did not have hardware VP9 Profile 2 decoder and also NUC8i7HVK Intel 630 GPU would not able to run Ultra HD Blu-ray playback. One day someone will buy NUC8i7HVK just to play Wolfenstein II to enable HBCC because Vega 56 and 64 with HBM2 memory has HBCC will be mortified to find out that it really did not have HBCC will be discovered that the chip is not Vega M but Polaris 22 is just nothing more than a cut down RX 580 to 24CU modified with HBM2.

 

[JediFragger]

will be discovered that the chip is not Vega M but Polaris 22 is just nothing more than a cut down RX 580 to 24CU modified with HBM2.

I find this hilarious! Poor suckers buyers

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Intel's Kaby Lake-G mystery: Why Radeon Vega M may be more Polaris than Vega

https://www.pcworld.com/article/326...eon-vega-m-may-be-more-polaris-than-vega.html

 

[LoadsaMoney]

lol

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

lol

If you look at both the PS4 PRO and XBox One X they are in-between Polaris and Vega in feature set. For instance the PS4 PRO has FP16 and the XBox One X has Vega derived shaders.

Edit!!

Also,from that last article:

This may depend on your definition of ‘Vega’
So is it Polaris or Vega? Well, it may come down to the semantics of product marketing. AMD declined to discuss any details of Kaby Lake-G, and as a policy, typically does not discuss custom parts used in the Xbox One X or other game consoles and products, either.

But in a white paper discussing Vega, the company said: “Vega’ is the most
sweeping change to AMD’s core graphics technology since the introduction of the first GCN-based chips five years ago.”

Among the highlights of the new Vega are:

• High-Bandwidth Cache Controller
• HBM2 memory
• Next Generation Geometry path
• Rapid Packed Math support
• Draw-Stream Binning Rasterizer

Although we could get neither AMD nor Intel to comment on whether Kaby Lake-G has the NGG, Rapid Packed Math or DSBR featured, we do know that it has two of those five features: the High-Bandwidth Cache Controller and the HBM2 memory. So do those two technologies make it a Vega?

And to be fair, AMD’s Ryzen 3 2200G with Radeon Vega 8 Graphics has the NGG, Rapid Packed Math and DSBR—but lacks HBM2 and the High-Bandwidth Cache Controller. So is it a Vega-based chip? Or is calling that chip Vega funny business, too?

A secret that shouldn’t be

The biggest indicator that the Kaby Lake-G’s Vega name is deserved may come from AMD itself. Intel, after all, wouldn’t market Kaby Lake-G chips with the Vega name without approval from AMD.

The ultimate judge of Kaby Lake-G isn’t obscure inside-baseball nomenclature, but what matters most to gamers: how it performs. And there’s no doubt that Kaby Lake-G performs as promised. Most reviews of the Hades Canyon NUC with its Core i7-8809G have been glowing with respect to gaming prowess. Given this success, Kaby Lake-G shouldn’t be afraid to fly its Polaris flag.

 

[AthlonXP1800]

Kaby Lake-G's Vega Credentials Questioned: Rapid Packed Math Not Working

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kaby-lake-g-vega-polaris-graphics,36844.html

Tomshardware was shocked to discovered Vega M is Polaris 22 after found out Rapid Packed Math was not worked in Far Cry 5 and also it did not improved on Vega 11 found in desktop and laptop Ryzen 5 2400G much which both Vega 64 and 56 only benefited most.

LMAO I think this is worse than GTX 970 4GB scandal, really feel very sorry for all owners bought Vega M Mini PC, Vega M laptops, desktop and mobile Ryzen 3 and 5 with Vega 3, 5, 8, 10 and 11 APU.