MOD over spent

dangerstat said:
No totally agree, but when we all spend £417 million IN ONE DAY online (see the Amazon thread) I find it a little hard to take that we can't afford to help out the poorest areas in the world.
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Good point.

In general I think we need to look after ourselves a bit first, I mean we are the ones paying the taxes:p
Britain is tiny and, as muct as I wish we could, we cannot save the world.

Throwing money at poor (and normally corrupt) poor countries doesn't help much.
 
XPE said:
Why do we even need the A400M any way aren't we buying the galaxy from the states that does the exact same job??
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The galaxy is far too big for our needs, which is why we have to borrow yank C17's. Which is what we should have bought anyway and a few more newer 130's for smaller operations.

The 130's we have are battered, it's a miracle more haven't fallen out the sky. They are literally rebuilt every 5-6 years. The cost is vast and they should have been scrapped in the early 90's. They have lasted this long because the sheer amount of cash thrown at them in rebuild every 6 years.

When I was a pup doing my apprenticeship there is literally not a part on them I haven't seen rotten and replaced. I dread to think the amount of money that maintenance has cost us all in the last 20 years.
 
dangerstat said:
I think you're a little drunk at the moment, and when you re-read this thread tomorrow you'll post something sensible
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Im flattered, but I havent touched a drop.

I care more if I have a job than feeding Africans, my partner and two small children rely on that income to feed them and as the MoD pays my wages using Taxpayers money I make a perfectly valid point, of course that means 31% atleast goes back to the treasury aswell as everything else I buy VAT etc.

MoD spending is not the same money in value as money that gets sent to the developing world.
 
I watched the news in dismay as well.

This country really has gone to the dogs. Labour will never hold power again for decades, and not in the guise they currently use.
 
£6bn over 10 years.

Thats less than the Astute class atleast even before we talk of ballistic successors. The Type 45's are £1bn a pop yet the £400m missle system still isn't working.

£2bn per carrier aswell, and thats just the Navy.

Im wondering if 6bn over 10 years is really a big deal?
 
Biohazard said:
I watched the news in dismay as well.

This country really has gone to the dogs. Labour will never hold power again for decades, and not in the guise they currently use.
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Do you genuinely think that any of the other parties would do a better job? I heard similar remarks said when the tories were in power, I have no faith in our politicians anymore - we spend so much money on poor countries to eradicate poverty when we can't even do it in our own country. We need to sort out the UK society, generational unemployment, lack of apprenticeships and a million other problems before we start telling others how to do it and chucking them a fiver.

It's about time we spent the resources on ourselves, sort the UK out then start helping others more. Just heard that we're giving £500 million/year for 3 years for climate change to developing countries, more than France or Germany, yet the countries that will recieve it are simply saying "not enough, not nearly enough". Sod them, I don't expect them to be bappy, but don't just chuck it back in our faces.
 
LabR@t said:
just seen on news that the mod has over spent so immediate cuts of millions and millions.

On side note GB announces that we are to give 500Miliion to poorer countries for the next three years.


Get real defense before some climate swindle, support our troops.

I am gob smacked absolutely disgusted with this it is outrageous that our service men/woman are being shafted like this for the sake of some BS AGW rubbish.
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Where is your evidence that "our service men/woman are being shafted like this for the sake of some BS AGW rubbish"? I can't see any in your post. What does climate change have to do with the MoD? Why are you claiming that money is being taken from the MoD and given to AGW?

The MoD is being cut back because its staff wasted millions and millions of taxayers' money, like the bunch of corrupt, reckless, fiscally illiterate cretins they so obviously are. (I wonder how much of that money was spent on bribes to the Saudis?) In other, entirely unrelated news, the government is allocating £1.5 billion to assist poor nations in the fight against AGW.

So at the very most, you can say that the government is making sensible budget cuts whilst taking responsibility for its part in the global AGW strategy. Where's the story here? Why the outrage?
 
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dangerstat said:
So your saying the money we provide has saved no one? Are you seriously saying it is flawed to give these people support?
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We have people starving and dying in our own supposedly developed nation, why don't we help them before we try to bring everyone else to our level?

I'm saying that our society is flawed. That we're not some sort of beacon of 'how things are supposed to be' and to go around throwing money at people and telling them what they should grow to be like while we ourselves such large issues.

More to the point - they've been given huge amounts of money and they seem to be in the same position as when they were being given no money. People rave about saving Africa, or India or wherever. But why should we? Why don't we ask why they need saving in the first place. It's not because there are diseases, or because they are poor and have no money, it's because when they're given money, it just goes to waste. It gets absorbed by corrupt, useless governments or spent on stupid military budgets.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that we (as a race), need to support everyone in the world. And I'm not necessarily opposed to giving money to poorer countries, or providing aid to those who need it - but we can't keep throwing money (which is unfortunately the core problem and solution to our society's woes) where it's not going to make a real difference but is instead going to continue to fuel corruption and suffering over there instead of it being put use in our own country, looking after our own people and then reaching out once we've stopped the bleeding.
 
Hi there,

I'd much rather some of my taxes go to help poorer nations in which people are often far worse off than the poor in our country and through no fault of their own and where the situation is often a matter of life and death. Perhaps we should stop wasting money on certain elements of our 'poor' that are content to take handouts and not attempt to contribute back to society at least they are given the chance to do so in the UK.

Also in some of these countries it is the current 'developed nations' that contributed to the other countries problems through colonal rule and ravaging their countries' natural resource wealth, and I feel as a result we have a responsibility to others.

In relation to the MoD, they ultimately had a budget and it over-ran it and as such needs to make cuts. It is their own fault just because and should not expect a blank cheque.
 
Duggan said:
The government send our troops off to two wars and then wonder why we have over spent... really!!

If you go to war costs normally increase. Logically yes?

I think we should support other coutries where possible but the ones really in need first. Not the ones that have better space programs then we do :rolleyes:

Supporting our troop is a must but with the recession the government is bound to cut corners and as normal cut back on things it shouldnt and put money into things it shouldnt. I just wish the government for just once would listen to the people . Oh look flying pigs in formation
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Civilians dont realise how much the MOD waste money, they are overcharged by private firms for pretty much everything - I would like to see how much the MoD are charged for stationary.

The prices they pay for DII computer terminals are frankly a ****ing joke, its scandelous.

My pet hate is that the RAF are still paying core meal prices upfront, getting gucci steaks and what not, lovely food, whereas the navy & army are fed utter ****, and to top it all off certain RAF mess' have subsidised alchohol.
They'll spit there dummys out if we ever make it to an equal tri-service.
 
dangerstat said:
[3] Can you not see helping starving / dying people might possibly be more helpful than building a submarines / tanks etc ..?
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Yeah, like all that money going to help India and it's starving millions. Good to see their space missions are looking on course though :rolleyes:
 
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LabR@t said:
just seen on news that the mod has over spent so immediate cuts of millions and millions.

On side note GB announces that we are to give 500Miliion to poorer countries for the next three years.


Get real defense before some climate swindle, support our troops.

I am gob smacked absolutely disgusted with this it is outrageous that our service men/woman are being shafted like this for the sake of some BS AGW rubbish.
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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Your reaction would be fair if there was in fact anything to actually get upset over. Instead, you've just seen a random figure, ignored its relativity, ignored the question of how and where it came from, and jumped the gun and blamed everything on your prejudice for AGW.

Third World development is far more complicated than you give it credit for. It's actually blindingly obvious to me that you haven't given a second's thought to any of the variables surrounding the issue (probably because as I've already mentioned, that you don't know what you're talking about). The sum - £500m - is in fact pittance in the grand scheme of things; it's a gesture. How far does £500m really go? That's to say if it even came from our own coffers or just penciled out of some outstanding debt. Let's for one second entertain that it did come directly from our taxes; that's what, ~£8-12.5 each. The UK's total budget expenditure is about $1.214 trillion (about £700 billion). Equally, check out our FDI figures and you'll see just how little £500m really is.

For the conspiracy fans out there, it is quite possible that is does have selfish motive. The E.U. et al. will very likely be looking to invest as part of the contemporary 'scramble for Africa' in anticipation of what climate change may well bring. What's going to happen if people start going hungry? You'll be the first one in the street complaining about how the government didn't do anything, won't you?

Next time save your energy for something worthwhile.
 
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People need to get over the "support our troops, they're heroes" nonsense.

They shouldn't even be there anyway, I support pulling them out and bringing them home. :o

That shouldn't relate to AIDING other countries though should it? The troops shouldn't even be there, yet people are ranting that even more money should be wasted on them continuing to be where they shouldn't? Bring them home, and then no one can moan about a lack of monies being spent on troops.

I would go as far as to say giving aid out to countries in need is more important than a lot of the stuff the government is wasting money on anyway.

Let's look at the real issues, not try to directly compare where money is and isn't going, then proceeding to rage about how it's all wrong.

Lack of monies going to troops doesn't mean aiding other countries is wrong, it means the government is wrong for not spending enough money on protecting troops.

They're not really related.
 
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