Modern turbodiesel problems

We'll have the joy of SCR systems and urea tanks soon. Filling you car with slippy diesel and tanking it with ****. Great :p

No idea how long the urea systems are expected to run until they need refilling either.
 
We'll have the joy of SCR systems and urea tanks soon. Filling you car with slippy diesel and tanking it with ****. Great :p

No idea how long the urea systems are expected to run until they need refilling either.

At least the refills will be cheap :D
 
[TW]Fox;11911511 said:
The problem is the moronic members of the public see diesel like the second coming of jesus.

Want to pop to the shop once a week? NEED A DIESEL.
Want to do 10k miles a year? NEED TO SPEND MORE ON A DIESEL

Whatever you want, in the eyes of the short sighted general public, only diesels have the answer.

This is not neccesarily good news for us.

Go and find me a well specified BMW 530i Sport LCI model with Media Pack etc.

Then go and find me the same, but a 530d.... everyone is ordering diesels. Dealers rarely get petrol models :(

I think it's easy to also put figures to this idea..

You can use Autotrader to help..

We've proven in a few recent examples, that taking 'everything' into account, you often only need to do about 5K - 7K miles to break even in the diesels we've looked at.. but bear with me anyway even if you don't agree

If you look at 3 year old diesels for sale on AT, and using their nice breakdown feature to see how many cars are available at each mileage point you get some interesting figures..

the interesting figures are how many 3 year old cars of each example have done less then 10K, where the owner would have defintely lost more money then buying the equivalent petrol. Then there is the 10K-20K mile bracket, where it's touch and go, you may have just broke even, you may have lost slightly, but there is probably little net gain either way, then of course, more then 20K miles which should be getting into the 'profit' zone..

So
5 Series Bimmer..
31.5% of cars are under 10K
14.5% are 10-20K
54% are ove 20K

Ford Focus
25.8% are under 10K
27% are 10-20K
47.2% are over 20K

Ford Fiesta
49% are under 10K
21% are 10-20K
30% are over 20K

I wouldn't use the word 'moronic' etc, as I don't expect most people to be able to financially breakdown these things to the nth degree, but it's obvious that at the very least, half of diesel fiesta owners are, shall we say, a bit misguided..
 
my zafira suffered from the dpf problem, even though i wasn't just pottering around town. then in the same week 2 other guys in the office also had the same issue.
 
my zafira suffered from the dpf problem, even though i wasn't just pottering around town. then in the same week 2 other guys in the office also had the same issue.

When I bought my Zafira back in 05, I struggled to make sure it didn't have a DPF, as I had the choice.. I just didn't want the DPF as I thought it would just affect power.. luckily I managed to get one of the last without it.. there was only about a 6 month window when you could get the CDTi without DPF!
 
The problem you described is fairly common on the 2.2 D4D Toyota engines, but wasn't present on the 2.0 D4D.
 
ok the particulate filter what an interesting story i have to tell

I bought my 2.2hdi 406 lovely car (for me) get 50 mpg decent performance and more creature comforts than i have had in any previous car.

The problem the particulate filter to which i almost now consider myself an expert.

what is it

on the 406 its is a CAt with smaller holes attached to the front of the cat. can it be removed easiy, yes, can it be cleaned yes.

now when i say cleaned from peugoet they send it away to france to be presher washed clean then sent back, you dont get new ones from the dealer you get cleaned ones.

They cost £350 plus £500 surcharge plus labour at £80 an hour and then the eolys topping up at £30 a litre to which you may need up to 5 litres.

can you source either the filter or the eloys form anywhere other than a dealer, not likely.

How long do they last ? well my model 406 reckons 50k miles.

Can it be bypassed, no. It is imbedded in the ECU, can you do what some do with a cat and stick a chisel through it ?

No because there are pressure sensors at each side measuring for differential pressure and by putting a hole in it you set them off.

What happens under these circumstances ?

It goes into limp home mode meaning travelling at 2000 rpms and under till taken to a dealer.

do most modern diesels have one ? answer yes. look for a startup light on yer dash which will equate in the manual to an anti pollution light. this means it has a particle filter and will cost you god knows what to replace at some point.

Did mine go 2k miles after buying the car ? yes, how much heartache dfid it cause, lots how much to repair ? I sourced a brand new one from ebay for £180 and a local Peugeot specialist fitted it for £40.


As for Regen well there are two types the self induced which is supposed to be like mentioned before, then there is the manual regn which involves the dealer, a lap top and them revving yer car at 5k rpm for about 20 minutes leading to heat out the back of the exhaust that has been known to strip paint of cars ( no lie)

I hate the particualte filter, theres no need for it and no reason for it to be there.

EDIT: form what ive read on the subject they started to be implemented after 2001, i,e my 406 has it but the hdis of the same age didnt so it wasnt on every car when first introduced :)
 
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You can always 'achieve' 40mpg......just drive at 60mph on the motorway and you'll get 40mpg and more. But you'll NEVER get 40mpg combined in normal mixed real world driving. Never going to happen. Never, nope, nada. Anyone who thinks they're going to get 40mpg combined in mixed real world driving from the latest 530i, even one with ED, is a fantasist living in la la land.
 
You can always 'achieve' 40mpg......just drive at 60mph on the motorway and you'll get 40mpg and more. But you'll NEVER get 40mpg combined in normal mixed real world driving. Never going to happen. Never, nope, nada. Anyone who thinks they're going to get 40mpg combined in mixed real world driving from the latest 530i, even one with ED, is a fantasist living in la la land.

An ad hom attack against anyone who doesn't share your view is not a substitute for sensible source or evidence.

Please provide something more than your own words to support your claim that the combined MPG figure for a 530i with ED is unachievable, or accept that you're simply ranting.
 
You have to admit though car makers do tend to be a little optimistic with their MPG claims. Wasn't the Toyota Prius claimed to be around 60mpg but reality saw it closer to 45-50mpg?
 
Don't feed the troll....

Hardly tolling disagreeing with a manufacturers mpg figures. Cars road tested rarely live up to the manufacturers claims.

Surely if you tested your vehicle in the flat lands of Holland you would cook up a much better combined mpg figure than the more hilly UK.

Not saying that is the case but it can't be difficult to swing the results in your favor.
 
Hardly tolling disagreeing with a manufacturers mpg figures. Cars road tested rarely live up to the manufacturers claims.

Surely if you tested your vehicle in the flat lands of Holland you would cook up a much better combined mpg figure than the more hilly UK.

Not saying that is the case but it can't be difficult to swing the results in your favor.

What if you live on top of the hill ? :p
 
What if you live on top of the hill ? :p

It averages out :D

For a while I lived up north and did a Glasgow to Manchester round trip over a weekend regularly. The Bora did 38mpg on the way down and only 35mpg on the way back up. North Wind? Hills? Who knows...

On the trolling thing Mr Davis has a bad habit of popping up in a topic, saying something imflammatory which he can't back up then arguing the toss. Diesels, Volkswagen and BMW appear to be his favoured targets so this was his wet dream!
 
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