Monaco & DRS

Erm, what? The drivers are moaning about something they control? If they think it's too dangerous to use through the tunnel then don't use it surely? Do they accelerate around hairpins? No they break because they can, if drs is going to make you crash then you don't use it surely?
 
deuse said:
Practice is thursday this week. As for DRS I don't think they should run it at Monaco.
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Oh yeah, forgot that.

Why do you think they shouldn't run it? Apart from the (as yet unfounded) driver safety 'concerns' there is no reason why they shouldn't use it? they had the adjustable front wings last year? Yeah, I cant see it turning Monaco into an overtaking fest, but the fact it probably wont make much difference isnt a reason to ban it?
 
i say let them use it, if the driver has the balls to use it then so be it, if not, dont press the button.

i think drivers are moaning because they know a couple will have no problems using it and will get an advantage in quali atleast.

is it know what drivers are for and against its use?
 
I think they should not be allowed to use it. The only car with enough downforce to use it effectively will be the Bulls, making the already seemingly untouchable even more so. If they don't have it then the others may well be closer.
 
The f duct gave the same advantage, and the only place they'll be allowed is in the tunnel, so let them use it.

Doubt they'd use it anywhere else, even in qually.. Unless they dare use it up the hill after turn 1?
 
Type_R said:
I think they should not be allowed to use it. The only car with enough downforce to use it effectively will be the Bulls, making the already seemingly untouchable even more so. If they don't have it then the others may well be closer.
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This is what most would call positive discrimination. You are essentially penalising the bulls for making a better car than everyone else. If you want them all on an even pace why not just turn it into forumla ford and make everyone drive the same car. It's not what F1 is and i think people should stop trying to make F1 like that.
 
It'd be worth getting everyone to try it out, would be really interesting to see who has the balls to use it coming past the start finish or up the hill after the first corner... Make P1 on thursday a good laugh.
 
Type_R said:
I think they should not be allowed to use it. The only car with enough downforce to use it effectively will be the Bulls, making the already seemingly untouchable even more so. If they don't have it then the others may well be closer.
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So F1 should be about penalising the fast guys for being to fast now? Jeese some people come up with some stupid comments don't they.

Why not just enforce them all to run in HRT's instead, makes them all equal. Or just get rid of Formula 1 all together and watch GP2 instead...

There is NO genuine reason to ban DRS at Monaco.
 
Skeeter said:
So F1 should be about penalising the fast guys for being to fast now? Jeese some people come up with some stupid comments don't they.

Why not just enforce them all to run in HRT's instead, makes them all equal. Or just get rid of Formula 1 all together and watch GP2 instead...

There is NO genuine reason to ban DRS at Monaco.
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I get what you mean, but the reason for banning it wouldn't be the increased speed, would it? It'd be having to simultaneously press the big red button on the steering wheel whilst negotiating the high speed right-hander.

Admittedly, it shouldn't be too difficult to press the button, but I guess the argument is the same as the teams that had the f-duct that was operated by taking one hand off of the wheel and covering a vent (?)
 
From what I've seen, they can and do adjust the amount the wing opens up, at Spain they were opening up noticeably less than before. Makes it as safe or as dangerous as you want it to be then, no reason to whinge about it at Monaco IMO.
 
Half the teams run it as a paddle anyway. A top flight F1 driver should be able to hold 1 button down (or 2 with KERS) and steer at the same time. Its a nonsencical point to make.

I agree the issue is likely people scared Red Bull will walk away with it, and trying to make up some safety concerns to scare the FIA into banning it.

Total tosh. Grow some balls and get on with it.
 
Clarkey said:
From what I've seen, they can and do adjust the amount the wing opens up, at Spain they were opening up noticeably less than before. Makes it as safe or as dangerous as you want it to be then, no reason to whinge about it at Monaco IMO.
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Pretty sure they are the same each race? Might be the camera angle?
 
Clarkey said:
From what I've seen, they can and do adjust the amount the wing opens up, at Spain they were opening up noticeably less than before. Makes it as safe or as dangerous as you want it to be then, no reason to whinge about it at Monaco IMO.
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I don't think there is any way you can prove that categorically without going down and asking them. I suspect that it is proportional to the AOA of the top element anyway, which will be very high at Monaco - potentially making DRS a much bigger %age change in overall balance.

Red Bull's diffuser blowing isn't as effective at low speeds in terms of the overall package because the diffuser isn't as effective at low speeds. It does mean that the teams running the RBR-style mapping might push it even harder to keep the diffuser energy up though.

Interesting that Renault's strong point has been very high traction out of low speed corners - I suspect that the FEE solution is much more effective in these scenarios so we might see Renault closer to the front of the pack around Monaco.
 
Skeeter said:
Half the teams run it as a paddle anyway. A top flight F1 driver should be able to hold 1 button down (or 2 with KERS) and steer at the same time. Its a nonsencical point to make.
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Woah, this has you pretty riled up! I was just saying that I thought that was the reason for the potential ban, not that I agreed with it.

Messenger = riddled with bullets.
 
Sorry, not riled at you. I fully expect someone this weekend to come up with that excuse and I hope Eddie shoots them down. It was a comment that it will be nonsensical for a driver or team to make. Sorry if you felt I shot the messenger.

F1 drivers have tens of buttons and switches on their wheels. Any suggestion that holding down 2 and turning through what isn't a particularly challenging corner except for the walls is 'dangerous' is just an attempt to justify another reason for not wanting people to run it. After all, nobody complained about banning it through turn 3 in Spain, and thats a more challenging corner. The drivers just didn't use it there.

I really hope the FIA see sense with this one.
 
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