More BS coming from Microsoft about they Web Browser strategy!

opethdisciple

opethdisciple

opethdisciple

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Quoting things from elsewhere? Im just posting links to news articles!

You know nothing about me!

Honestly, please refrain from being rude to other people, did I start by being rude you?
 
It's great that the articles are based on a platform preview of IE 10. Something that's not even in beta or RC yet. IE in protected mode is very, very secure. MS can't help if it if people turn off UAC and thus turn off protected mode.

I'm sure I could find articles on FF, Chrome, Opera, etc. saying how bad there security is (several months for a critical patch on some of them).

I know I'm sticking with IE. I've had no problems with it since installing and everything jsut works.



M.
 
simulatorman said:
IE bashers will dig up anything to bash.
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Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash Bash

The thing is people don't say....

I hate xyz because but I love abc because..... very shallow when it comes to pros/cons of hardware/software.
 
I love IE9. Does the job fine for me, I reinstalled 7 the other day, did all windows updates and then away I went. I don't actually need a different browser.
 
The word "native" refers to the fact that IE 9/10 take advantage of DirectX hardware acceleration, that the UI integrates well with Explorer (particularly on Windows 7) and that it follows basic Windows design conventions and standards. And a whole bunch of other validations on the Windows Logo programme test suite. Neither Opera, Chrome or Firefox can claim any of this. But ignorance is bliss for those dumbass alternative web browser schmucks that know nothing about the technology of which they argue over so willingly and blindly.

They're accusing Dean Hachamovitch of being too corporate and that he should take off his "marketing hat". But actually he is just being a techie. He is making a statement of fact, in fairly technical terms, of why IE is considered to be a more native Windows application than its competitors. And he is right, whether you like it or not. If he was being corporate he would have just said that IE passes the Windows Logo programme and that none of its rivals do. He didn't say that though.


Crummy ReadWriteWeb article said:
In other words: Microsoft thinks it knows what developers want better than they do.
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Quite simply, they do. And they have possibly the greatest track record for this of the big few corporates. Google pretends to be more developer oriented than it really is. Microsoft is the only one to actually follow through on their claims and deliver, time after time, to developers. Sure they get some things wrong, but so does everyone.

Remember when MS came along with "DHTML", most of which was the concept of an accessible DOM from JavaScript and HTTPXMLRequest? There was uproar at first. But then, this little thing called "AJAX" took the web by storm. Entire companies, like Google and Facebook, are built upon this Microsoft innovation.

Then there's .NET. Arguably one of Microsoft's most recent best successes (a product originally started under the excellent foresight and direction of Bill Gates). Developers said it would fail. Reality has proven otherwise. It is now powering Microsoft into the future and will be key to delivering the new "AppX" executable paradigm in Windows 8 and the next-gen Windows tablets and phones. .NET is the perfect platform that Microsoft has had all along and it will help them, over the next few years, to capture back critical market share from the likes of Android and iPhone. I can't wait to be writing .NET code that "just works" on both x86 and ARM CPU platforms.
 
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opethdisciple said:
Quoting things from elsewhere? Im just posting links to news articles!
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Precisely, you found a couple of opinion articles and then started a thread in a way you must know given your past posts is going to be inflammatory to get a response. Your contribution is

opethdisciple said:
Nothing has changed with IE9. Same swiss cheese approach to security and the same propriety bs starting to leak through.

IE9 to me, is IE6 just dressed up in sheeps clothing!!
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Which is clearly non sense.

The problem is you don't put a good argument forward why your choice of alternative is better for people to consider. Your anti MS posts seem to have a history of having very little facts when challenged which leads me to suggest you actually know very little on the subject beyond reposting things you've read elsewhere.

There's a great quote from Linus Torvalds about this kind of stuff.

LinusTorvalds said:
I may make jokes about Microsoft at times, but at the same time, I think the Microsoft hatred is a disease. I believe in open development, and that very much involves not just making the source open, but also not shutting other people and companies out.

There are 'extremists' in the free software world, but that's one major reason why I don't call what I do 'free software' any more. I don't want to be associated with the people for whom it's about exclusion and hatred."
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If you have a sensible, factual discussion around alternatives and how they compare well to debate some of the responses you've had in this thread it'd be good to see them. I'm pretty sure most of the posters here are "geeks" to some degree and open to hearing about other ways of doing stuff it it's better.
 
Alright fair enough.

I just posted some random articles that bash Microsoft and IE, and I admit, I didnt back up any of my views or give any other details.

But in fairness this is such a big topic, I didnt fancy writing a thesis on the subject.
 
That kind of poses the question 'why?'.

You can't go around bashing certain technology without a good reason. Especially on a technology forum.

No ones asking for a thesis but at least a good argument would have done.



M.
 
opethdisciple said:
Articles here:
http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/20...tm_campaign=Feed:+readwriteweb+(ReadWriteWeb)
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/mozilla_opera_ridicule_microsofts_native_html5_hogwash
Same old same old. Nothing has changed with IE9. Same swiss cheese approach to security and the same propriety bs starting to leak through. IE9 to me, is IE6 just dressed up in sheeps clothing! :p
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DUDE!
You already had your IE and MS bashing thread, it was last week, why don't you add this entry to the end of that thread, your content is afterall, identical.

I bless MS, even though they stole £90 from my CC this morning, I am sure they will find the culprit and refund me.
 
opethdisciple said:
Alright fair enough.

I just posted some random articles that bash Microsoft and IE, and I admit, I didnt back up any of my views or give any other details.

But in fairness this is such a big topic, I didnt fancy writing a thesis on the subject.
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Perhaps you should avoid the new topic button for a while?
 
iDroid84 said:
Go ahead, write a thesis and maybe people will listen to you. Pros / Cons et al.
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The problem is that I shouldnt need to say anything, to back up my views.

Its plain to see, and the general consensus on the web reflects this.

When some one challenges my understanding, infact, is a reflection of their lack of awareness on the matter, not the other way round.

I mean you guys keep saying IE Bash IE Bash IE Bash, but have you stopped to think why the tide flows in this direction?

This is why I didnt need to give any more info, thats for YOU to get your head round not the other way round.

Anyway, every one is open to use what they like and that is indeed the beauty of the web. So rather than turn this in to a bash ME thread, why dont YOU come back with some logical well thought out arguments, as to why the web says one thing, and you say other.

I think thats a fair comment to make, considering, the first reply I got on this thread.

Also to the guy that said that they could dredge up arguments against Firefox and Chrome etc... of course you can, but the ratio of security and other problems with IE comapered to Firefox and chrome will be some thing like 10-1 ratio.

It can only be this way, as we are talking about open source vs propreity.

Your saying one thing, bashing me for pointing out the obvious, but then the facts support me.

Why do you think IE is losing market share.................. and then all this bs from Microsft about how IE9 is standards compliant etc.... just read the articles I posted above. They are just plotting to rail road the web again, in to their own vision.

And you said I had a thread only a few weeks ago. Exactly my point. since January, I havent heard nothing about Firefox and Chome, but IE have had 2 major security issues, as well as other crap, regarding their plans for HTML5.

And this "IE9 to me, is IE6 just dressed up in sheeps clothing!" is true.

IF you actually had any understanding on the topic, you would be able to understand what im saying. So rather than bash me for my 'supposed' lack of understanding, why not try to discrete it, and will see what level of understanding YOU have!
 
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opethdisciple said:
The problem is that I shouldnt need to say anything, to back up my views.
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Stop right there. That's a stupid and arrogant statement. I don't say "you're an idiot" and then expect you to prove you're not. You make a hypothesis and then you defend it when scrutinised. You say that "Its plain to see, and the general consensus on the web reflects this", well you'll need to defend that comment as well as quite frankly it's an antiquated fallacy.

opethdisciple said:
It can only be this way, as we are talking about open source vs propreity.
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Where did you get that from?
 
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