More BS coming from Microsoft about they Web Browser strategy!

opethdisciple said:
Articles here:

http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/20...tm_campaign=Feed:+readwriteweb+(ReadWriteWeb)


http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/mozilla_opera_ridicule_microsofts_native_html5_hogwash


Same old same old.

Nothing has changed with IE9. Same swiss cheese approach to security and the same propriety bs starting to leak through.

IE9 to me, is IE6 just dressed up in sheeps clothing! :p
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Neither of the articles has anything to say about IE's security.

What kind of bull**** are you talking about?

Did you even read the articles? They're ridiculing Microsoft's approach to HTML5.

Why post two irrelevant articles, put a misleading title to the thread, post some opinion without backing up any claims and trash around other people's comments about your approach to posting on the Forums :confused:
 
opeth is some kind of antifanboi. A normal fanboi can find no wrong with something. An antifanboi does nothing but find fault with something. As with all fanbois [anti or othewise] he has no opinions of his own, posts completely irrelevant links and disseminates out of date or completely incorrect information.

:)
 
Mr Krugga said:
Neither of the articles has anything to say about IE's security.

What kind of bull**** are you talking about?

Did you even read the articles? They're ridiculing Microsoft's approach to HTML5.

Why post two irrelevant articles, put a misleading title to the thread, post some opinion without backing up any claims and trash around other people's comments about your approach to posting on the Forums :confused:
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Again, do the homework. It gets boringto say stuff once, twice, for it to get forgotten, for the matter to come up again, and for people to have forgotten, and for me to repeat.

Im not going to do it for you. I have posted other stuff regarding this.

I have nothing to prove, the web reflects my views so I cant see what the problem is.

Also why are you guys so pro IE anyway? They are just playing catch up.
 
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opethdisciple said:
Again, do the homework. It gets boringto say stuff once, twice, for it to get forgotten, for the matter to come up again, and for people to have forgotten, and for me to repeat.

Im not going to do it for you. I have posted other stuff regarding this.

I have nothing to prove, the web reflects my views so I cant see what the problem is.

Also why are you guys so pro IE anyway? They are just playing catch up.
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The problem is your views do not reflect the facts.
 
opethdisciple said:
Again, do the homework. It gets boringto say stuff once, twice, for it to get forgotten, for the matter to come up again, and for people to have forgotten, and for me to repeat.

Im not going to do it for you. I have posted other stuff regarding this.

I have nothing to prove, the web reflects my views so I cant see what the problem is.

Also why are you guys so pro IE anyway? They are just playing catch up.
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I can't be bothered to tell you how retarded this post is on so many levels, the web reflects my views so I can't see what the problem is.

I have posted in other retarded threads so I don't have to back up my own opinion.

Pro-IE guy.
 
I think IE9 is horrible, the interface is terrible.

Dunno why anybody would use it over Chrome or Firefox, just for the sake of being "lol look guise IE is good now"
 
tntcoder said:
The problem is your views do not reflect the facts.
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My views do tho thats the problem!

Thats why this thread exists even, becuase Im posting AGAIN! Not for the first time!

Very few security issues with firefox and chome, major ones, even just since IE9 was launched. Want the article I posted, look for my thread.

Micrsoft are not an inivotive company anymore, they are getting squeezed from all directions. IE is losing market share, windows mobile is terrible, apple is gaining market share in the desktop arena.

The only bright light they have going for them currently is Win 7, but thats pretty slim margin.

Anyway, what ever. Seems you can say anything on this forum, anti IE.
 
opethdisciple said:
My views do tho thats the problem!

Thats why this thread exists even, becuase Im posting AGAIN! Not for the first time!

Very few security issues with firefox and chome, major ones, even just since IE9 was launched. Want the article I posted, look for my thread.

Micrsoft are not an inivotive company anymore, they are getting squeezed from all directions. IE is losing market share, windows mobile is terrible, apple is gaining market share in the desktop arena.

The only bright light they have going for them currently is Win 7, but thats pretty slim margin.

Anyway, what ever. Seems you can say anything on this forum, anti IE.
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I'm pretty sure Chrome and Firefox have had more security related vulnerabilities than IE since IE8 days. If not more, then it's very close to equal.

You can say anti-IE stuff sure, you just need to back it up with facts! For example the IE interface sucks *** :p but it's built very well and it's very secure.

It's not 2004 anymore.
 
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There are different metrics for measuring security for starters.

Im simply counting the big ones. The ones that they say are being activley exploited in the wild. Given that you get far far more for IE than Firefox or Chrome.

Nothing too remarkable there to be honest.
 
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opethdisciple said:
There are different metrics for measuring security for starters.

Im simply counting the big ones. The ones that they say are being activley exploited in the wild. Given that you get far far more for IE than Firefox or Chrome.

Nothing too remarkable there to be honest.
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Ah ok cool, that makes perfect sense :)

:rolleyes:
 
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Don't go bringing verifiable facts into the discussion, facts confuse the OP ;)

opethdisciple said:
Im simply counting the big ones. The ones that they say are being activley exploited in the wild. Given that you get far far more for IE than Firefox or Chrome.
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Ah, so you're ignoring the majority of facts and just picking a few subjective ones to try to prove a point ignoring the inconvenient ones... Uhuh... That's handy...

Let's see some actual, verifiable, independent facts that support your post. Can you define "big ones", what is the time scale for "exploited in the wild"? Do vulnerabilities that have had no recorded exploitation not count then? Come on, for someone who professes to have professional security experience surely you can do better than vague accusations?
 
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IE with protected mode enabled is very solid for secure web browsing as it is severely restricts what it can do with your o/s (such as virtualized registry etc)

Not to mention activex filtering where I can disable flash etc on sites where it isn't needed, tracking protection as well as the built in malware scanner.
 
Athanor said:
Don't go bringing verifiable facts into the discussion, facts confuse the OP ;)

Ah, so you're ignoring the majority of facts and just picking a few subjective ones to try to prove a point ignoring the inconvenient ones... Uhuh... That's handy...

Let's see some actual, verifiable, independent facts that support your post. Can you define "big ones", what is the time scale for "exploited in the wild"? Do vulnerabilities that have had no recorded exploitation not count then? Come on, for someone who professes to have professional security experience surely you can do better than vague accusations?
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I didnt say I was a pro security expert!

Im just some one with a keen interest in computer secuirty who also happens to be a systems administrator.

Come on. IE is notorious for security issues.

Only the latest one, straight after releasing IE9 and saying it had made huge inovations and leaps forward in terms of security and then this, which is very recent!
 
opethdisciple said:
I didnt say I was a pro security expert!

Im just some one with a keen interest in computer secuirty who also happens to be a systems administrator.

Come on. IE is notorious for security issues.

Only the latest one, straight after releasing IE9 and saying it had made huge inovations and leaps forward in terms of security and then this, which is very recent!
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It was notorious for security issues.

What about the 3 sandbox escaping vulnerabilities in Chrome this week? Does that make it a heap of fail?

It's an even playing field and has been for a long time. And IE is at the winning end of the field.

Understand that even when winning, there will always be vulnerabilities published.
 
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tntcoder said:
What about the 3 sandbox escaping vulnerabilities in Chrome this week? Does that make it a heap of fail?

It's an even playing field and has been for a long time. And IE is at the winning end of the field.
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First of Im a Firefox man.

Secondly the difference is the time to patch, and the severity of the vulnerability.

Mozilla and chrome are far more proactive in their security than Microsoft are.

There have even been times when a third party have had to make patches becuase Microsoft where procrastinating!

I also remember seeing data, on the time between disclosure of vulnerability and actual patch. This is where Microsft really lagged behind, the competition and still do.

Oh and the link you linked to means they patched it! Where as Microsft dilly dally!

Just a super quick example, ok its from 2006, but it shows that in the past third parties have had to patch Microsoft products. That is ridiculous, how bad does it make you look if a third party has to deem a security vulnerability in one of your products and actually has to rush out a patch for you, becuase you take too much time to release your own!

http://www.internetnews.com/securit.../Third-Party-IE-Patches-Preempt-Microsoft.htm

Im sure there are more recent ones as well, but I cant be be bothered to find em.
 
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opethdisciple said:
First of Im a Firefox man.

Secondly the difference is the time to patch, and the severity of the vulnerability.

Mozilla and chrome are far more proactive in their security than Microsoft are.

There have even been times when a third party have had to make patches becuase Microsoft where procrastinating!

Oh and the link you linked to means they patched it! Where as Microsft dilly dally!

Just a super quick example, ok its from 2006, but it shows that in the past third parties have had to patch Microsoft products.

http://www.internetnews.com/securit.../Third-Party-IE-Patches-Preempt-Microsoft.htm

Im sure there are more recent ones as well, but I cant be be bothered to find em.
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Ok good now you have made a factual point :) So Google and Mozilla can afford to patch things much quicker than Microsoft. All they have to do is make sure the patch passes some unit tests and then they can push it out with an ask questions later style approach.

With Microsoft, they have to do much more significant testing than their rivals because of enterprise use. I do agree though they could do more, they sometimes break the monthly patch cycle in emergencies but maybe they could push out optional-use security patches out of band.

Patch cycles are distinct from how well made and how secure a product is though :)
 
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