More BS coming from Microsoft about they Web Browser strategy!

IE8/9 running in Protected Mode on Windows 7/Vista is the most secure browser in the world. On the other hand Firefox is a hugely insecure browser which lacks any Protected Mode/Sandbox support. Therefore it has been proven to be the most vulnerable and insecure browser on the planet:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/repor...erable_browser
http://www.neowin.net/news/internet-...me-and-firefox

IE8/9 blocks 99% socially engineered malware while Firefox blocks only 20%:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/IE9-B...e-172650.shtml

Morever, IE9 has the most gorgeous and productive UI of all browsers on Windows 7. It has pin sites to taskbar feature making it a joy to use. I won't ever touch the crappy Firefox with a ten-foot pole.
 
pezzonovante said:
Morever, IE9 has the most gorgeous and productive UI of all browsers on Windows 7. It has pin sites to taskbar feature making it a joy to use. I won't ever touch the crappy Firefox with a ten-foot pole.
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I wouldn't go that far. The UI is nice, but that's only because it's similar to Chrome and I'm primarily a Chrome user.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I wouldn't go that far. The UI is nice, but that's only because it's similar to Chrome and I'm primarily a Chrome user.
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Yeah, Chrome UI is nice too. However, it has two major (to me) problems.

1. There is no bookmarks/favorites menu, which is available in all major browsers. There used to be a command line switch called --bookmark-menu, but they removed it for whatever reason.

2. In maximized mode, there's no space above the title bar -- making it impossible to drag the maximized window and thus take advantage of Aero Snap.

However, I used to be a Chrome user until IE9 beta came out. But the pin sites to taskbar has been the killer feature for me. I have about 10 sites pinned in the taskbar, and it's delightful to use.
 
opethdisciple said:
My views do tho thats the problem!

Thats why this thread exists even, becuase Im posting AGAIN! Not for the first time!

Very few security issues with firefox and chome, major ones, even just since IE9 was launched. Want the article I posted, look for my thread.
You are joking aren't you? Please have a look at the links the other guys have posted - every browser is vulnerable. IE in protected mode is a damn more secure than most others

Micrsoft are not an inivotive company anymore, they are getting squeezed from all directions. IE is losing market share, windows mobile is terrible, apple is gaining market share in the desktop arena.
Really? You haven't been looking at Windows 7, IE9 (which was the first hardware-accelerated browser), .NET, CRM, Sharepoint, System Center Suites, Hyper-V, etc. whilst some of these they have come late in they're making massive grounds with and very innovative features. Have a look at the Kinnect sales - the highest selling gadget around and it's coming out on PC soon (officially)

The only bright light they have going for them currently is Win 7, but thats pretty slim margin.
Pretty slim? In comparison to what? It sold over 240 million in it's first year and most business's won't adopt for at least a year from release.

Anyway, what ever. Seems you can say anything on this forum, anti IE.
You can say what you like but you must back it up - just because you're interested in security doesn't mean you're an expert. Most of your comments have been woefully inaccurate and have no substance to back them up.
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I just installed IE9 and it still has several problems compared to Chrome,

1/ Video in iPlayer, i want to look at a different page ustilising aero snap. I drag out the iPlayer window so i can put it on the left, then google on the right or whatever, ahh, iPlayer has to reload, that's not good! Chrome doesn't do this.

2/ Open lots of tabs so they start resizing, now try and close a load of them, hmm that's annoying the size of the tab instatly changes with each one closed meaning i have to move my mouse to close each one, Chrome maintains the size of the tabs until you un-hover the tab bar.

3/ It doesn't utilise the old file, edit, tools bar. Just a blank empty space until you get to the min, max, exit buttons, which seems a bit of a waste. It also seems like every other developer apart from Microsoft is able to do this.

pezzonovante said:
Yeah, Chrome UI is nice too. However, it has two major (to me) problems.

1. There is no bookmarks/favorites menu, which is available in all major browsers. There used to be a command line switch called --bookmark-menu, but they removed it for whatever reason.

http://www.google.com/support/chrome/bin/answer.py?answer=95745

2. In maximized mode, there's no space above the title bar -- making it impossible to drag the maximized window and thus take advantage of Aero Snap.

This is only an issue if you have a lot of tabs open, but even so you can do it by going on the empty space near the minimise button

However, I used to be a Chrome user until IE9 beta came out. But the pin sites to taskbar has been the killer feature for me. I have about 10 sites pinned in the taskbar, and it's delightful to use.
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Valentino said:
I just installed IE9 and it still has several problems compared to Chrome,

1/ Video in iPlayer, i want to look at a different page ustilising aero snap. I drag out the iPlayer window so i can put it on the left, then google on the right or whatever, ahh, iPlayer has to reload, that's not good! Chrome doesn't do this.

2/ Open lots of tabs so they start resizing, now try and close a load of them, hmm that's annoying the size of the tab instatly changes with each one closed meaning i have to move my mouse to close each one, Chrome maintains the size of the tabs until you un-hover the tab bar.

3/ It doesn't utilise the old file, edit, tools bar. Just a blank empty space until you get to the min, max, exit buttons, which seems a bit of a waste. It also seems like every other developer apart from Microsoft is able to do this.
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1. I have just tried the same thing with iPlayer on. But Aero Snap didn't cause it to reload. How did you do the Aero Snapping? You should do so by dragging the iPlayer tab.

2. Do you use the small close tab button to close tabs? I use the middle mouse button to close tabs. So, it doesn't really affect me.

3. Those File, Edit menus are totally redundant on a web browser. That's why IE7 did away with Menus/Toolbars in 2006. Since then Chrome, Opera and Firefox have followed suit. And the empty title bar above the address bar is there by design. It makes using the Aero Snap feature really easy -- unlike Chrome.


And about Chrome's UI:
1. I was talking about the Bookmarks Menu -- not the bookmarks bar. I never ever use the bookmarks bar on any browser. It wastes screen space. What I need is a button in the toolbar like IE9, Firefox or Opera. Chrome lacks this basic feature.

2. Yes I know there is a small gap beside the minimize button for dragging. But it's extremely unintuitive. You have to hunt for it to find the right spot. On IE9 I can do it with my eyes closed.
 
Valentino said:
I will only ever consider IE if you can get AdBlock on it.
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You can get adblock on IE9 in various ways:

1. Use the built-in tracking protection lists. Fanboy's Adblock TPL is the best in my opinion. For element hiding you can use a custom CSS file. More on this here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18156398&page=3

2. You can buy an IE adblocking add-on like Simple Adblock or Adblock Pro.

3. But the most effective solution -- which I personally use -- is Ad Muncher. It's not a browser extension. Instead it's a separate program which blocks ads and pop-ups in ALL browsers and software like IE9, Firefox, Chrome, Windows Live Messenger, Yahoo Messenger etc. It's much better than Adblock Plus. The program is only 523 KB and is very lightweight.

However, Ad Muncher is pretty expensive. So, you have to decide whether you are serious enough about Ad Blocking to spend the money. Personally I think it's well worth the money for such an awesome product.
 
pezzonovante said:
1. I have just tried the same thing with iPlayer on. But Aero Snap didn't cause it to reload. How did you do the Aero Snapping? You should do so by dragging the iPlayer tab.

2. Do you use the small close tab button to close tabs? I use the middle mouse button to close tabs. So, it doesn't really affect me.

3. Those File, Edit menus are totally redundant on a web browser. That's why IE7 did away with Menus/Toolbars in 2006. Since then Chrome, Opera and Firefox have followed suit. And the empty title bar above the address bar is there by design. It makes using the Aero Snap feature really easy -- unlike Chrome.


And about Chrome's UI:
1. I was talking about the Bookmarks Menu -- not the bookmarks bar. I never ever use the bookmarks bar on any browser. It wastes screen space. What I need is a button in the toolbar like IE9, Firefox or Opera. Chrome lacks this basic feature.

2. Yes I know there is a small gap beside the minimize button for dragging. But it's extremely unintuitive. You have to hunt for it to find the right spot. On IE9 I can do it with my eyes closed.
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You mean that bookmarks button?
 
pezzonovante said:
You should do so by dragging the iPlayer tab.
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Never should a user be told how to choose something. Why should they act differently if you drag or if you Windows+Right? Little things like that just irritate me about MS.

On IE9: I used it for 30 minutes til I realised it wasn't any better than the latest gen of browsers. For a start it took 20 seconds to load.
 
8t10 said:
Never should a user be told how to choose something.
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I'd hardly single out Microsoft for this. Technology companies tell users how to do things all the time, from what software version they must be running to how to hold a phone correctly. It's just how it is.

Why should they act differently if you drag or if you Windows+Right? Little things like that just irritate me about MS.
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I agree with this. A good UI is a consistent UI, but I can't reproduce it on my computer- my pages don't reload whether I drag them or use Windows + arrow.

On IE9: I used it for 30 minutes til I realised it wasn't any better than the latest gen of browsers. For a start it took 20 seconds to load.
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If 20 seconds was the average load time for IE9, I don't think any of us would use it so this is the exception rather than the rule. Whether it's better or worse than the alternatives is up for debate but it's clearly a massive improvement over previous versions of IE.
 
theheyes said:
I'd hardly single out Microsoft for this. Technology companies tell users how to do things all the time, from what software version they must be running to how to hold a phone correctly. It's just how it is.
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If anything, Microsoft is a saint compare to Apple on this front.
 
I was running it on Bootcamp, 2.26 C2D with 4gb which makes no sense as to why it takes that long to load; since Chrome is instant. The mind wonders...

I won't single out Microsoft out for that either, but as a general rule the user should make up their own mind how to use something and it ideally would work for them whichever way they wanted to use it. Just leads to a happy user. MS have listened to their UX guys a lot more in 7 than the previous versions...
 
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