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KaHn

KaHn

KaHn

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Rightio,

I know some of you like dog pics and a bit of an update from me, we found out Max will suffer from HD when he is older (Hips Xrayed a week ago)

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So after a week of rest I took him out for 30min with another friends GSD for a bit of a walk.

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If you want any info on his HD then I would be happy to help.

KaHn
 
wordy said:
Hip dysplasia. it's a condition you get in mainly large dogs where the dogs hip joints have loose muscles & ligaments and isn't a strong as they should be.
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Generally caused by incorrect breeding of large periods of time, we have started Max on Cosequin DS and Metacam (although I will be stopping the Metacam soon) as well as increasing supplements in his diet, additions of Rosehip Powder (high Vit C), excess Omega 3 Sources (Sardines/Mackrel) and will start giving him Garlic and Fenugeek Tablets soon.

Hopefully with all of this we will be able to manage the HD and with out pushing him to do agility type of work and letting him grow naturally we are hoping that it will actually strengthen his hips and he won't have bad HD when he is fully grown (only 8 months atm)

KaHn
 
Jph said:
Ah nice, are white german shepherds fairly rare? i don't think i have seen too many about.

If so, could that possibly why he has HD?, due to improper bredding for whites?
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No white german shepherds can occur in any litter (even sable + sable mating) as it is a recessive gene, I have seen quite a few but generally you would pass them off as husky/samoyed type of dogs and not GSD's.

The breeding is over the entire breed of GSDs and people who breed for money, Max was a present for me from my GF and I can say that she didn't really do enough research before picking a breeder as I rang up and neither of thier dogs had been hip scored.

KaHn
 
wordy said:
GSD's can be prone to hip problems due to the way they have been bred, the lower back is curved downwards and the back legs are very bent. this can cause hip problems in later life. This was one of the things that has been changed recently in the Kennel Club breed standard.
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Not really true mate, what you describe is for show gsd's, Max is of working lines and as such doesn't have the sloping back.

KaHn
 
Hatter The Mad said:
This is why we don't get pedigree GSDs anymore (after we had one) - it just isn't fair to keep them. If it isn't HD, it is crippling arthritis. Kind of the same, but not to the same extent, with Labs.
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You do realise any dog can get HD and also dogs with very good hip scores can suffer from HD.

If you wish to only keep mongrul dogs due to them being care free then do so but I would prefer it if you kept those opinions to your self.

KaHn
 
Gypo said:
You have a lovely pair of dogs KaHn, i have a German Shepard aged 5 and he has hip and joint problems (well early signs) and in the past i've had a rottwieller that had HD and was on metacam for the late period in his life and it did ease it a little bit but in the end he couldnt walk and we had to let him go :(
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Thats a real shame about the rotty, I hope I never have to keep Max on Metacam for prolonged period (side effects include severe liver problems, instant fatality due to liver problems) so with the Cosequin DS (glucosamine) it should stop the deteriation of the ligaments and with the correct type of exercise (offlead but no ball chasing agility stuff) it would mean he can live out his life with out using pain killers or steriods.

KaHn
 
Wicksta said:
To be fair to him I've also noticed that GSDs really do seem to suffer with these kind of problems more than any other dog. I don't really see why you are getting so wound up by his posts, they weren't rude. :confused:
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Sorry these are past posts which are coming up now, not really the ones aimed at GSDs, I knew what I was getting into when I got Max and as such knew the correct method of limiting the effects of HD.

All I am getting at is that someone coming into a thread and then stating a very broad post about how people should get pedigree GSD as its "not fair"

Also some past posts about pedigree dogs being harder to train and also more costly to keep.

I won't go into the feeding comments made in burnseys thread either.

KaHn
 
Cosequin DS as posted above, also not all Glucosamine supplements are suitable for dogs, Cosequin DS is the only one proven to help with the effects of HD.

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Some further info re Cosequin that I havent sent you
Cosequin, with its exclusive combination of high purity glucosamine, low molecular weight chondroitin sulfate and manganese ascorbate, is the only glucosamine/ chondroitin supplement that has been documented safe, effective, and bioavailable in published, peer-reviewed, controlled, veterinary U.S. clinical studies.
Chondroitin sulfate is a large molecule that is difficult to absorb. Cosequin is the only brand that uses the high purity, low molecular weight chondroitin sulfate that has been studied for absorption. Lower molecular weight means the particle size of the molecule is smaller and more easily absorbed by the digestive system than other less pure forms of chondroitin sulfate. While this highly pure form of chondroitin sulfate is more expensive, it is the only one supported by published, controlled U.S. clinical studies for efficacy, safety and absorption.
A recent study published in the Journal of the American Nutraceutical Association showed that over 80% of glucosamine/chondroitin brands did not even meet their own label claim.
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KaHn
 
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Again that is crap, the problems which can arise in all dogs do so, granted if somone who buys a pedigree pug or a dog with inherent, serious health flaws then they will have that problem, but I wouldn't suggest to anyone to buy a dog for cosmetic value.

I take it you are base of opinion is from your GF who is a vet, which tbh after some of the discussions with my vet I would disagree with a lot of what is said about diet and also the effects of more natural supplements.

KaHn
 
Hatter The Mad said:
No, it isn't a vet lie. It is a fact - for healthy teeth, a dog has to have something hard, crunchy and/or chewie in its diet (whether you give the dogs bones, chews or dried hide as snacks - or a mix of wet and dry food). Dogs who just eat wet or fresh food, and only that, have bad dental health. Fact.

Again, false. It is a slightly above-average pet food, sitting just under the likes of Iams, but still miles away from the likes of Royal Canin and Hills. In terms of value, assuming no medical requirements from the diet, Pedigree presents one of the best value in wet food. There are far, far more 'worse' brands of dog food available than Pedigree. Ask for your vet, get the facts.
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Any dog breeder/owner who feeds a RAW/BARF diet will tell you that they will never have to brush their dogs teeth as they are constantly being cleaned by the food on the otherside anyone who feeds a dry only diet (even royal canin/JWB) will have to give extra help to clean their teeth, look at Hills for example they provide a dry diet to increase the amount of cleaning done to teeth while chewing, that in itself is admition that a dry diet will not completely clean their teeth and as such needs extra work from brushing etc.

The vets at the moment have been hand reared by the dog food coperations to lead everyone to think that dry food is better for thier dogs.

I understand why most will blindly follow or even feed it out of convinence but please don't sit there and quote things as fact with out doing the research yourself.

KaHn
 
Hatter The Mad said:
How can you say it is crap? It is readily statistically shown - pedigree dogs visit the vet more than mongrels, undergo surgery more and are prescribed more medicines. Ask your vet, they won't lie to you about the numbers. More vet = more money = higher cost of ownsership.
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Again I wouldn't believe everything your vet says.

KaHn
 
I'm not going to argue with you anymore about this as I find your blind faith amazing, all I will say is that from my experience and comments made about Max from the vet (before realising he was on a Raw diet) about his coat,teeth, temperment and general well being all being excellent then having him tell me that I should be feeding the dog something like Hills dry food (which I have had numerous reports that it causes dogs to become hyper, even over other dry food) is quite amazing.

Also I didn't say that the dog food companies would encroach in university teaching but in vet practices, how many have you been into and have them offer science plan as their prefered type of food? I have also been told by my vet that they werent allow to talk about certian type of dog insurance as they had been paid to promote one type, now do you think that is correct?

KaHn
 
Hatter The Mad said:
Is there something I'm missing about German Sheps and the name "Max"? I didn't name ours, my parents did. Crazy strange that mine, Kahn's and yours was/is called Max!
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As I posted in another thread, Max is the best dog name ( I had a Max as a child as did my Dad).

My next dog will be called Thor tho.

KaHn
 
I will find the articles about dry food over the weekend as I am at work.

But I will leave you with one thing, Vets are not "Non Profit" orginisations, they need to make money from somewhere and where that comes from is pushing special diets/drugs which will not be needed.

I had to ask for Max to be put on a Glucosamine supplement (which he suggested Seraquin and then chaged 4 times the market value) and I have since changed to Cosequin DS based on the US studies, I will be asking my vet about that next week but that will probably be the last time I will go untill I have him Hipscored by the BVA in a years time.

KaHn
 
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