Mortgage Rate Rises

£75k is only about £135k today inflation adjusted as well.
Which is probably where those houses would be price wise if we hadn't had 0 interest rates, and all sorts of stupid government schemes over the years.
Our son is mid 20's and still lives at home, he'd have no chance of getting even a flat here with what he earns, even with a healthy deposit.
 
I wish people would stop comparing now with the past in terms of interest rates.

Why can people not understand the price of house to earnings ratio has completely changed.
I agree but if we look at it you can see why…

200k at 3% is less per month than 85k at 15% on an 25 year mortgage. The house price is irrelevant. What’s relevant is the ratio of mortgage pounds per month relative to income pounds per month and the reality is a mortgage at around 4-5% over 25 years on 200k isn’t that much different to a 15% mortgage over 25 years for a 85k home. There is however a “but” and that is that wages now are more than double what they were on average back in the early 90s where as houses are more like 3-4x the value so it is harder to get the money to borrow to begin with as it comes with higher risk to the bank and as you’ve mentioned this is a very valid and key point to consider.

If we ignore the risk and look at it purely from a numbers perspective then as mentioned, it isn’t all too different. It does however highlight a few interesting points.

It means you pay about 30% in interest over all payments combined today based on todays typical rates but more like 70% in all payments combined back then when rates hit 15%.

The total value you pay on a typical 4.5x your annual salary borrow is approx 6x your annual at point of mortgage interest total considered against todays rates which as we are all aware is getting worse.

The total you borrowed back in the day was more like 2-2.5x your annual salary (wooo that’s awesome) but you paid back 6-7x your annual salary at point of taking the mortgage interest total considered. This is worse subjectively and objectively however as rates improve the value you pay back per month drops exponentially faster than if you borrowed against a larger value and the risk of having Neg equity although the same with a following crash carries a lesser burden than against house values of today so is a lesser issue to the bank issuing the money to be borrowed. This is why people are struggling to even get a flat as a couple when a singleton could get a home by themselves easily enough back then.

It’s crap now but it was relatively more crap back then, that is a fact. Come September the 1st however we are at a point where you are going to be worse off than when there were issues back in the early 90s and that is what a good chunk of people, mostly the older gen who were affected before and are now mortgage free don’t grasp, my parents included which I find highly frustrating.

That is our reality and it’s only getting worse so I agree with your stance all be it with the odd caveat here and there.

I’m 34, it didn’t affect me in the 90s as I was still playing in the dirt but I’d rather the shafting on rates vs house value now than rates vs house value back then as I’ve been lucky with locking in at a reasonably low rate for a decade a few months back. If I was locking in or facing locking in from September or later then I’d be feeling very anxious as my view would 100% have taken a U-turn leaving me questioning whether it is or will remain viable keeping the home I have. It is already at that tipping point for some (check out right move, the influx of larger more expensive homes added to market recently has boosted significantly) and even more will be in unknown waters as deals end over the next 24-36 months at least and their financial situation gets a severe wake up call. The crash has started, it may not reflect on the price of homes quite yet but it’ll soon follow now the bigger, more expensive homes are going up for sale.
 
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All very good but the goalpost have moved from 6% in the 2000s to 15% in the 90s.
My uncle brought his 4 bed council house for £15k back in the 90s :eek:
 
All very good but the goalpost have moved from 6% in the 2000s to 15% in the 90s.
My uncle brought his 4 bed council house for £15k back in the 90s :eek:
Things started rising rapidly in about 97, cooled off in 2008 until 2015 and then resumed trend. Idk, cant pin it all on low interest rates people are just willing to pay higher prices it seems. If they weren't the market would correct.
 
Wonder what tangible impact this is going to have on house prices in the next 6 months.
They will at best flat line but there are already areas in the UK where house prices are starting to see a slight drop and homes are being adjusted on their valuations at point of inspection from lenders. I can’t see houses staying where they are, I’d think we may see a good 10% drop over the next few years especially with mortgage rates going as they are. It may even have an even bigger impact than that.
 
It does actually. Pretty sure my first mortgage I took out showed that over the 25 years I was going to pay more in interest than the house cost, quite a lot more.

Its only in recent years have people seen that it is less.

I was the same, I am fairly certain that my first mortgage I was going to pay about 150% of the purchase price in interest over 25 years.
It was a long time ago, but IIRC it was at 8.75%

In fact a quick calc shows it was 147% interest, so the old memory isnt so bad.

In those terms the gap is far less than people think.
Although the massive benefit we had was that any overpayment saved a lot in interest.
 
Things started rising rapidly in about 97, cooled off in 2008 until 2015 and then resumed trend. Idk, cant pin it all on low interest rates people are just willing to pay higher prices it seems. If they weren't the market would correct.
This was about 97 as he won a chunk of change on the lottery so I remember it well (took me to Disney World) :D.
My dad brought his 2 bed house sometime in the early 2000’s for somewhere around £35k.
 
I was the same, I am fairly certain that my first mortgage I was going to pay about 150% of the purchase price in interest over 25 years.
It was a long time ago, but IIRC it was at 8.75%

In fact a quick calc shows it was 147% interest, so the old memory isnt so bad.

In those terms the gap is far less than people think.
Although the massive benefit we had was that any overpayment saved a lot in interest.
Exactly, £5k over payment on a 100k home is 5% but only 2.5% on a 100k home. It’s another reason why I’d rather have faced the issues of the early 90s then what is coming in the next 24-36 months. If rates go beyond 7% and stay there indefinitely I simply won’t be able to afford it with the current utility and inflation issues we face. I’m just glad I don’t have to look at it or think about it now until mid 2032 by which if I’ve been sensible id have over paid enough to not had an issue for the remaining few years.
 
Exactly, £5k over payment on a 100k home is 5% but only 2.5% on a 100k home. It’s another reason why I’d rather have faced the issues of the early 90s then what is coming in the next 24-36 months. If rates go beyond 7% and stay there indefinitely I simply won’t be able to afford it with the current utility and inflation issues we face. I’m just glad I don’t have to look at it or think about it now until mid 2032 by which if I’ve been sensible id have over paid enough to not had an issue for the remaining few years.

The other thing is that people forget the value of the asset. Now its not a usable asset as such for most but.
Would you prefer to pay over the mortgage lifetime, a) £250k for a house valued at £100k, or b) £350k for a house valued at £250k?

I know which I would prefer ;)
 
My question because I know very little is why have average mortgage rates shot up from 1.5% to 3% in a few weeks if the increase was fair small ?
 
We're looking at moving house later this year. Every day I'm flip flopping from wanting to do it or hold off. I'm veering towards holding off to see what happens, but if house prices rise, that just eats away at our savings.

If we moved, I'd immediately get solar installed too so that would at least help with the crazy energy prices.
 
House prices are hopefully going to slow soon, I have been in the market but unless you are offering at least 10% above asking price your offers aren't competitive enough. So demand is still high.

Got out bid again on a property just today.
 
Which is probably where those houses would be price wise if we hadn't had 0 interest rates, and all sorts of stupid government schemes over the years.
Our son is mid 20's and still lives at home, he'd have no chance of getting even a flat here with what he earns, even with a healthy deposit.

Tbf supply and demand is a huge factor too. With a growing population (let's not forget 200k+ net migration too), housing supply simply hasn't kept pace
 
Interesting and fits with the question I was going to ask.

If the banks are still offering 5 & 10 year fixes of 3-4%, then they must be pretty confident that we're not in for a long period of even higher rates?

I'm assuming the banks set fixed rates on offer according to what they think the 'average' rate is likely to be over that same time frame. Of course they could be wrong, but in general I'd expect it's as good model for a crystal ball as any?

When I had a quick look at rates with Halifax, a 10 year fix was cheaper than 5 years, which would suggest they expect rates to drop again within that time?
 
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