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[BUDFORCE]

I don't have the exact numbers, and I'm advocating build more btw as the best option, but surely it would help?

The main point I was getting at is, the UK has plenty of space - people should just acknowledge they don't want it built on rather than say there is nowhere to build it is downright misleading (but unsurprising at the current time!)

Going away from the amount of space thing in which I have no comment.

But supply and demand of property in the UK has little to do with population. UK housing stock has become a commodity, much like gold. Ok my example was a little extreme (and obviously completely unrealistic) but the point I'm making is you build more houses, you just fund more investments.

People don't even need to let the properties, I mean that is the icing on the cake.

The whole situation is completely out of hand and unless the government start stepping in and stop this spiraling capitalism but putting in some kind of restrictions (which they won't) I'm not sure anything can be done.

 

[CapitalOne]

Going away from the amount of space thing in which I have no comment.

But supply and demand of property in the UK has little to do with population. UK housing stock has become a commodity, much like gold. Ok my example was a little extreme (and obviously completely unrealistic) but the point I'm making is you build more houses, you just fund more investments.

People don't even need to let the properties, I mean that is the icing on the cake.

The whole situation is completely out of hand and unless the government start stepping in and stop this spiraling capitalism but putting in some kind of restrictions (which they won't) I'm not sure anything can be done.

Final on this as too far off topic (but related of course) I agree there should be financial disincentives (with no loopholes like company ownership and so on) to treat housing as a commodity until the shortage has been met.

 

[HACO]

Ok, so how are you defining it exactly? Because the New Statesman link I posted has a lot of figures there.

Also about 92% of our land mass is not built on.

Overpopulation is relative not only to land but to its productivity and the level of development of services, and should be compared with similar countries.

UK is quite densely populated by international standards at 719 people per square mile, England even more so at 1100 people per square miles. In comparison Netherlands is 1200, India is 1100 (same as England), Japan is 850, Germany is 605, France is 303, Portugal 289, Spain 243, United States 90.

Our land productivity, services and infrastructure are not developed enough to support this level of population. We are already struggling to feed the current levels of population without food imports, we can't produce enough goods to satisfy our domestic consumption, and we don't have the services that this population requires (housing, healthcare, education, transport, etc) as there's a shortage of everything.

It's very fair to say UK is overpopulated, quite significantly so. Although this isn't an argument for xenophobic policies, those are quite bigoted and disturbing. The solution is not to scapegoat immigrants, we need to accelerate development of our infrastructure, services and improve land productivity in terms of food, water and goods production to catch up to our population levels.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Overpopulation is relative not only to land but to its productivity and the level of development of services, and should be compared with similar countries.

UK is quite densely populated by international standards at 719 people per square mile, England even more so at 1100 people per square miles. In comparison Netherlands is 1200, India is 1100 (same as England), Japan is 850, Germany is 605, France is 303, Portugal 289, Spain 243, United States 90.

Our land productivity, services and infrastructure are not developed enough to support this level of population. We are already struggling to feed the current levels of population without food imports, we can't produce enough goods to satisfy our domestic consumption, and we don't have the services that this population requires (housing, healthcare, education, transport, etc) as there's a shortage of everything.

It's very fair to say UK is overpopulated, quite significantly so. Although this isn't an argument for xenophobic policies, those are quite bigoted and disturbing. The solution is not to scapegoat immigrants, we need to accelerate development of our infrastructure, services and improve land productivity in terms of food, water and goods production to catch up to our population levels.

We need all these people in the uk off benefits and on the streets building new houses, serving the police, teaching the next generation and also in health care.

We have enough bodies here to get people to offer these services. its not as if literally there is no one to supply the demand locally....


Brexit made things worse because a lot of europeans did some of these services we are now lacking.....

 

[Doobedoo]

We need all these people in the uk off benefits and on the streets building new houses, serving the police, teaching the next generation and also in health care.

I doubt those still left on benefits are either capable of doing those jobs or that you would want to do those jobs.

 

[CapitalOne]

It's only 4 years to train a teacher (assuming that have uni level qualifications to get in - I think that's a fair bar)
It's only 3 years to train a nurse
It's only 2 years to train a police person

If only there was a plan to do this (starting maybe circa 2016?)!

I blame the govenrment personally

 

[Doobedoo]

It's only 4 years to train a teacher (assuming that have uni level qualifications to get in - I think that's a fair bar)
It's only 3 years to train a nurse
It's only 2 years to train a police person

If only there was a plan to do this (starting maybe circa 2016?)!

I blame the govenrment personally

Pay them properly and they’ll come.

 

[potatolord]

I doubt those still left on benefits are either capable of doing those jobs or that you would want to do those jobs.

That writes off millions of people and makes them continual dependents on the state.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I doubt those still left on benefits are either capable of doing those jobs or that you would want to do those jobs.

You be surpised. Loads are capable.

And its all sectors that are lacking.

You dont need a degree to sweep teh streets, make deliveries etc etc.

Its just a load of excuses for just sitting on your ass doing nothing IMO. if someone really wanted to make a living and life of themselves, there is a HUGE demand for policing, builder, electrician, plasterer, deliverie person etc etc etc

 

[jonneymendoza]

Pay them properly and they’ll come.

Some of them do get paid properly.

 

[Doobedoo]

Some of them do get paid properly.

Oh yeah.

Teacher strike threat as they're given 5% pay rise - way below inflation

The below-inflation offer to experienced teachers was immediately branded a real terms pay cut by unions

www.mirror.co.uk

NHS workers 'threaten strike in autumn' amid pay row after below-inflation offer

Medical organisations will meet on Friday to discuss industrial action as NHS staff consider striking after a below-inflation pay rise offer

www.mirror.co.uk

Police staff urged to reject ‘insulting’ 2.1 per cent, 17-month pay deal by Unite

Vital police staff, such as 999 call handlers, are being urged to reject a ‘pitiful and insulting’ 2.1 per cent pay offer over a 17-month period, as the country faces the biggest cost of living crisis since the 1970s.

www.unitetheunion.org

 

[jonneymendoza]

Oh yeah.

Teacher strike threat as they're given 5% pay rise - way below inflation

The below-inflation offer to experienced teachers was immediately branded a real terms pay cut by unions

www.mirror.co.uk

NHS workers 'threaten strike in autumn' amid pay row after below-inflation offer

Medical organisations will meet on Friday to discuss industrial action as NHS staff consider striking after a below-inflation pay rise offer

www.mirror.co.uk

Police staff urged to reject ‘insulting’ 2.1 per cent, 17-month pay deal by Unite

Vital police staff, such as 999 call handlers, are being urged to reject a ‘pitiful and insulting’ 2.1 per cent pay offer over a 17-month period, as the country faces the biggest cost of living crisis since the 1970s.

www.unitetheunion.org

yea boi. greedy mofos

Im pretty sure being a nurse or a teacher pays better than being on benefits....

 

[CapitalOne]

yea boi. greedy mofos

Im pretty sure being a nurse or a teacher pays better than being on benefits....

"Pretty sure"?

 

[Doobedoo]

yea boi. greedy mofos

Im pretty sure being a nurse or a teacher pays better than being on benefits....

Ok so people come off benefits and apply to be teachers, nurses and policemen. You do realise that some people on benefits are of the type that either wouldn’t be allowed or probably really shouldn’t. Many are disabled, elderly ect. You can’t just read a daily Mail article and then expect all these lazy scrouts to just magically be accepted into already massively underfunded institutions. Your need to do better than that.

 

[Richie]

Oh yeah.

Teacher strike threat as they're given 5% pay rise - way below inflation

The below-inflation offer to experienced teachers was immediately branded a real terms pay cut by unions

www.mirror.co.uk

NHS workers 'threaten strike in autumn' amid pay row after below-inflation offer

Medical organisations will meet on Friday to discuss industrial action as NHS staff consider striking after a below-inflation pay rise offer

www.mirror.co.uk

Police staff urged to reject ‘insulting’ 2.1 per cent, 17-month pay deal by Unite

Vital police staff, such as 999 call handlers, are being urged to reject a ‘pitiful and insulting’ 2.1 per cent pay offer over a 17-month period, as the country faces the biggest cost of living crisis since the 1970s.

www.unitetheunion.org

Those sectors are hoping for double digit pay rises. The police have also agreed a rise (that article is nearly 6 months old).

What % rise do you feel teachers and NHS workers should get? What would you give them?

 

[HACO]

Those sectors are hoping for double digit pay rises. The police have also agreed a rise (that article is nearly 6 months old).

What % rise do you feel teachers and NHS workers should get? What would you give them?

We should triple lock all benefits and public sector salaries, if we believe pensioners deserve that then so do everyone else.

 

[Doobedoo]

Those sectors are hoping for double digit pay rises. The police have also agreed a rise (that article is nearly 6 months old).

What % rise do you feel teachers and NHS workers should get? What would you give them?

Great and so they should just to clarify I haven’t been following it that closely, but I do remember it being on the news around the same time the media were trying to convince everyone that the rail strikers were evil so and so’s.

 

[Richie]

We should triple lock all benefits and public sector salaries, if we believe pensioners deserve that then so do everyone else.

If we believe that £12,570 is the minimum you earn before paying income tax and NI, surely this reflects that we also think this is a minimum income why is max state pension circa £3k below this "minimum".

 

[potatolord]

We should triple lock all benefits and public sector salaries, if we believe pensioners deserve that then so do everyone else.

I think it is grossly unfair that, say, jobseekers allowance is not subject to the triple lock.

David Cameron must have a good claim to being the worst PM of my lifetime.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Ok so people come off benefits and apply to be teachers, nurses and policemen. You do realise that some people on benefits are of the type that either wouldn’t be allowed or probably really shouldn’t. Many are disabled, elderly ect. You can’t just read a daily Mail article and then expect all these lazy scrouts to just magically be accepted into already massively underfunded institutions. Your need to do better than that.

yes some. I diddny say all people on benefits can work. but some can