Mortgage Rate Rises

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You’re right on some levels I think, but without that “help”, things would be absolutely catastrophic today given how many more multiples of the average salary house prices are today compared to back then.

Personally I would prefer a more natural and better functioning market. One without much in the way of intervention. Things need to be allowed to correct in line with affordability.
Just be thankful you do have the help, it wasn't very pleasant for millions? at the time
 
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Just be thankful you do have the help, it wasn't very pleasant for millions? at the time

I’m lucky enough not to need it; but I suspect it’s going to be just as bad for millions more over the next 12 months or so. Even with the “help”.

I suppose there’s one difference this time, in that those at the bottom end of the market have been so priced out that they probably don’t have houses to lose in the first place.
 
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Depending on how it's handled the could just be the start of a cascade.

Indeed. Given the lag in how these things have tended to effect economies historically, it’s only around now that I would have expected repos to start ramping up anyway.

I’m not too hopeful of the kind of soft landing in real terms that some people are.
 
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time to save save save to buy another property when the inevitable house price depression hits rock bottom

It’s exactly what I’m doing, and who can blame anyone able to for doing so? But it definitely leaves a sour taste in your mouth knowing that you’re likely going to end up profiting while families out there will be suffering.
 
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It’s exactly what I’m doing, and who can blame anyone able to for doing so? But it definitely leaves a sour taste in your mouth knowing that you’re likely going to end up profiting while families out there will be suffering.
yeah, as always, the cash buyer will always win, no need to contend with cray cray % mortgage rates, and with rental prices increasing as well...
 
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We've been putting our rates up for the last few weeks, so not sure what that report is in about.

The headline rate isn't always the complete picture either, for example, one of the mortgage offers I looked at the other day, was a loan I want to say about 600k, but the product fee on the offer was £65k.

I can't remember if it was a 2 or 5 years rate, but in either case, the cost of that mortgage was £65k PLUS whatever interest was charged on top, crazy.


Edit: don't forget, that's exclusive of the application fee, valuation fee, solicitors fee, broker fee, so add on all those lol.

Redemption fee, and the cheeky £35 TT fee.
 
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And how quickly things change, June rate cuts look much less likely after todays inflation data.
How so? Inflation is barely above the 2% target - that would suggest to me that a rate cut is very likely, and would make good headlines as we head into a General Election later this year.
 
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How so? Inflation is barely above the 2% target - that would suggest to me that a rate cut is very likely, and would make good headlines as we head into a General Election later this year.
Because headline inflation was always going to fall, underlying inflation e.g services which the BoE are looking at is actually climbing.

Just a quick take from bloomberg.

There’s been a very big reaction in BOE bets to the number.

Traders see just a 12% chance of a cut in June now (from closer to 50% yesterday) and a 40% chance of a move in August (from more than 90% on Tuesday).

Indeed, a full rate cut is now only fully priced in for November. That’s a huge reaction to a relatively small miss in the headline number, and is probably driven by the services figures we mentioned earlier.

As always though, the next data and it can all swing back :cry:
 
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