Motherboards help

I found the that most advertise with EXPO and if you look at the specs state also has xmp (I was exaggerating a bit for dramatic affect). The 285K has plenty of reviews but looking for motherboards to go with the 200 series if you dont want the highend z890 is hard to find.
 
XMP DDR5 is everywhere.

There are 285K reviews, they include production benchmarks too, it just mostly wasn't that great so the demand from consumers for content about it is probably pretty poor.

Worse than Raptor Lake in some scenarios unfortunately, which of course has its own issues that make many (rightfully) wary.

There's still use cases where the Ultra CPU's are worth picking up, and it's not like they're awful at gaming, it's just an unfortunately underwhelming CPU series.

Plenty of reviews and XMP sticks available however, a lot actually support both as mentioned above last I checked.
 
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I found the that most advertise with EXPO and if you look at the specs state also has xmp (I was exaggerating a bit for dramatic affect). The 285K has plenty of reviews but looking for motherboards to go with the 200 series if you dont want the highend z890 is hard to find.

Yeah, I think the consumer demand just isn't there for both the platform and therefore also the content, HUB arent going to do their "35 board comparison" video if it'll get barely any views and who can blame them?

I think kitguru have reviewed a few but when they pop up in my feed I just skip over them. Looking at their feed on my phone..

B860 vs Z890 video - 61k views
B850 video - 109k views
Z890 - 78k views
Z890 board roundup - 91k views
 
As far as I know, the difference is one has 1 NIC, the other has 2. Both 10Gbps and different sound cards. The AI top is £1k, vs the normal master which is half that. I’ve had an X870E Master, and still have a Z590 Master (Which has 10Gbps NIC) - they’re great boards. Unless you need the additional 10Gbps NIC, get the standard master.
 
If you prefer Gigabyte and don't mind white, I'd go for the Z890 Aorus Elite X ICE or the (black-themed) TUF Z890-Plus.

They're both available under £300.

16 phases, rated to 80A, 8-layer PCBs, 1x Thunderbolt on the rear, they use the conventional ALC1220x rather than USB-connected sound.

2.5 Gb LAN (the TUF has Intel unfortunately, Aorus Elite X is Realtek), 4x M.2 slots on the TUF and 5x M.2 slots on the Aorus Elite X.
Anyway thank you for the help:) I'm looking at the Gigabyte Z890 AORUS MASTER, Overclockers did a review last year on it
 
I've got a new build planned and was in the same boat as you, as am building a 285K setup and its even hard to find ram now that is XMP, let alone reviews of intel hardware. Its a shame really that all the youtubers state they do things so people know what to buy but its all about clicks and money really. I think the PC media (on youtube) is really focused on gaming and thats it all I see is "get AMD X3D more FPS and cheaper" oh well. But I think im an exception from the norm as I dont ever "upgrade" my builds bar maybe moving a psu over to a new build but get 90% new parts everytime I upgrade my builds, so buying into a dying platform or a 9800x3d will not be cpu limited in 4K in another 2 GPU generations is a mute point for me. Sorry dont think I helped much as to your question.
Everything is hard this year, last time I built a PC was 2017 1080ti I never upgrade. a motherboard should be number one on the list of parts and it hard to choose the right one now days, I'm not looking for a budget I don't mind spending over 500. You pay for what you get.
 
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Anyway thank you for the help:) I'm looking at the Gigabyte Z890 AORUS MASTER, Overclockers did a review last year on it
If it has to be black, I could be convinced to buy the Z890 Aorus Pro, which is ~£330.

Aorus Master has 10 Gb LAN, that's the main difference I can see. The VRM is beefier, but the Pro is 16 phases (90A rated) which is overkill anyway.
 
Everything is hard this year, last time I built a PC was 2017 1080ti I never upgrade. a motherboard should be number one on the list of parts and it hard to choose the right one now days, I'm not looking for a budget I don't mind spending over 500. You pay for what you get.

Nope. That's called over spending and being ripped off.

Zero point on spending £500 on a motherboard, you're just falling for the "it's expensive so better than one at £150"
 
Nope. That's called over spending and being ripped off.

Zero point on spending £500 on a motherboard, you're just falling for the "it's expensive so better than one at £150"
You get some budget MB value for money, that's why they have budget and high end MB on the market, the choice is yours if you want all bells and whistles you have to pay for it
 
You get some budget MB value for money, that's why they have budget and high end MB on the market, the choice is yours if you want all bells and whistles you have to pay for it

£200 isn't budget boards . Explain the extra "cost" £300 more ..

Apart from being ripped off

I've been into computers since the IBM xt era it's only recently overpriced boards have been released

£150-£200 boards won't be low quality and for vast majority of people they have the overclocking, cooling, features and vrm you need

You're just being ripped off..same thing with £3000 gpus
 
a motherboard should be number one on the list of parts

This has never, ever been the case for gaming use in the 25 + years I've been building rigs, and I'd argue it's rarely if ever the case outside of that par perhaps HEDT platforms.

Let me give you an example: In 2012 Intel released their Z77 platform alongside their Ivy-Lake CPU's, basically the best for gaming at the time. You could run a heavily overlocked i5 or even i7 on "budget" boards back then, I had a 3570K running at 4.8ghz happily for close to a decade on a Gigabyte Z77 D3H, there was literally only one other board in the entire line-up that cost less.

I currently have a 5800X3D, which to this day is one of the best gaming CPU's on the market and at time of launching was handily the best gaming CPU to exist. It's running on an Asrock B450 Pro 4, a budget motherboard that cost me less than £90 when I bought it.

It's not about price, it's about individual components and what they can handle. This goes beyond just gaming, but your views are painfully skewed, if you'd argued the PSU being the most important thing I'd not have battered an eye but the motherboard?

You don't need to attach a million sata drives on a modern platform, it's why they don't have the ports. Technology moves on, for raw gaming purposes almost any motherboard for £80-150 will be absolutely fine and you're spending more for "features" that often aren't needed.
 
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£200 isn't budget boards . Explain the extra "cost" £300 more ..

Apart from being ripped off

I've been into computers since the IBM xt era it's only recently overpriced boards have been released

£150-£200 boards won't be low quality and for vast majority of people they have the overclocking, cooling, features and vrm you need

You're just being ripped off..same thing with £3000 gpus
We can't turn back the clock on pricing the choice is yours in the end, I don't feel ripped off IMO

 
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This has never, ever been the case for gaming use in the 25 + years I've been building rigs, and I'd argue it's rarely if ever the case outside of that par perhaps HEDT platforms.
Everyone to there own opinion what they list first,
 
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Everyone to there own opinion what they list first, But some would say CPU first!

The foundation is important, and balance for specific use case is king.

A motherboard doesn't offer anything other than connectivity when you boil it down, as long as it can handle what you're plugging into it nothing else matters, and often more money doesn't mean a better result. A power supply on the other hand, if you skimp it could damage everything you plug into it. A CPU that's ill suited to a task will tank performance, too little or slow RAM will reduce or again tank performance. Poor cooling will effect everything I've mentioned. A graphics card can make a massive difference depending on use case, also no, more "premium" cards aren't necessarily worth the extra cost in the regard you're suggesting.

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact and one that can be observably proven in the case of PC hardware.

A "budget" motherboard for £80-150 as long as it has competent VRM's for the CPU will never damage system performance, it just means you can't plug as much into it and it might not look as pretty.
 
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It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of fact and one that can be observably proven in the case of PC hardware.
That's why I always lead with VRM when talking about boards because is the only thing that really makes any difference to gaming performance and even then, 90% of modern boards are mega overkill apart from £60-£100 ones.
 
That's why I always lead with VRM when talking about boards because is the only thing that really makes any difference to gaming performance and even then, 90% of modern boards are mega overkill apart from £60-£100 ones.

It's nuts to me that people still think you need to spend hundreds on a motherboard, not that you ever did mind you, just make sure the board fits the role.

I'd rather spend £100-150 on a board that performed identically to one costing £300-400 +, and frankly I'd feel embarrassed if I spent that sort of money on a motherboard for gaming. There's no "bragging" rights there unless you're showing off to people that don't know a whole lot about tech.
 
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