Moving to Australia for work

PhillyDee · 3 Mar 2010 at 03:20

Evangelion said:
I would be interested to know why you think a move to Australia has the potential to kick start your career. Surely the best place to do this is in the UK, where salaries are higher and career opportunities are far greater.

Maybe just seen 'The Man Who Sued God'?

Kurisu Makise · 3 Mar 2010 at 03:24

Take me with you i could do with a job

[FnG]magnolia · 3 Mar 2010 at 04:25

PhillyDee said:
Maybe just seen 'Home and Away'?

Sorry. I had to

theNude · 3 Mar 2010 at 05:04

I am here on a working holiday visas presently soon to be changed

you can get one too as long as you are under 31 at time of lodgement.

I doubt you will be able to start your career as 6 months at a time will be hard to get a career going, it will certainly be an experience that i reccomend to anyone.

If you get a job offer you can get a 457 temporary work visa which is valid for a maxmimum of 4 years, although once you have been on this visa for 2 years and employed by one employer for at least 12 months you can apply for PR.

Skilled migration is also avaliable but new changes mean that processing times are around 3 years plus i doubt you will qualify if you are a freshie.

Dude

panthro · 3 Mar 2010 at 06:32

Thing I dont understand is, if they let you in on a 12 month working holiday visa, and then transfer you to a 457, why do you still have to get the chest xray done :confused:

Apachegunface · 3 Mar 2010 at 07:21

Evangelion said:
I would be interested to know why you think a move to Australia has the potential to kick start your career. Surely the best place to do this is in the UK, where salaries are higher and career opportunities are far greater.

There seems to be more jobs there in Law, and that was just from a quick search. Plus, I have family (uncle) who live in Perth - He's always been banging on about me living out there and he could probably fix me up with a job - he is a funeral director with a government contract (of all things) and knows a few lawyers, I suspect due to probate. Afterall, who wouldn't want to move away from cold, shi**y England and live in Aus for a few years??? My girlfriend has a psychology degree with nursing experience so surely that wouldn't hinder her chances? If I was to get experience there and then come back into the Uk then I think that would pay dividends on my CV - Moving half of the length of the Earth to get employment and managing to do that successfully would look good on my CV, I feel. Moreover, the law is heavily based on Uk law, to the extent that our laws and their laws are very persuasive upon each other. I infact know a girl who was on my course and went to Australia for a few months, she ended up finding a job in a law office and is still there as far as I know!

mollymoo · 3 Mar 2010 at 08:19

Apachegunface said:
Afterall, who wouldn't want to move away from cold, shi**y England and live in Aus for a few years???

Me for one.

Seriously without experience your going to struggle anywhere in the world, it's the biggest hurdle of any career and trying to overcome it in another country will be even harder.

You could get married to your G/F as she would get a working visa that you could tag along on.

Apachegunface · 3 Mar 2010 at 08:24

Austrlia not take your fancy? Great barrier reef, Ayres Rock, Australia's unique wild life? They are very tempting to me.

The places I've seen ask for abit of experience and degree etc... I have both of them and the LPC!

Sankari · 3 Mar 2010 at 08:26

Apachegunface said:
There seems to be more jobs there in Law, and that was just from a quick search. Plus, I have family (uncle) who live in Perth - He's always been banging on about me living out there and he could probably fix me up with a job - he is a funeral director with a government contract (of all things) and knows a few lawyers, I suspect due to probate.

Fair enough, I guess that would help to start you off. But for long term prosects, the UK is the place to be.

Afterall, who wouldn't want to move away from cold, shi**y England and live in Aus for a few years???

You'd be surprised by the number of people who move back again almost immediately. Never underestimate the pull of familiar surroundings.

My girlfriend has a psychology degree with nursing experience so surely that wouldn't hinder her chances? If I was to get experience there and then come back into the Uk then I think that would pay dividends on my CV - Moving half of the length of the Earth to get employment and managing to do that successfully would look good on my CV, I feel. Moreover, the law is heavily based on Uk law, to the extent that our laws and their laws are very persuasive upon each other. I infact know a girl who was on my course and went to Australia for a few months, she ended up finding a job in a law office and is still there as far as I know!

I don't work in law, so I have no idea if overseas experience would be of any value to your CV. You may find that it counts for absolutely nothing. But hey, you're only young once. Give it a go.

Apachegunface · 3 Mar 2010 at 08:36

Evangelion said:
Fair enough, I guess that would help to start you off. But for long term prosects, the UK is the place to be.

You'd be surprised by the number of people who move back again almost immediately. Never underestimate the pull of familiar surroundings.

I don't work in law, so I have no idea if overseas experience would be of any value to your CV. You may find that it counts for absolutely nothing. But hey, you're only young once. Give it a go.

My uncle moved out there and he never came back. lol. My mum and dad went there a few years ago, and my dad, of all people, states adamantly that if he was my age, he'd be off!

You talk about money and prospects in the UK - Money doesn't mean that much to me, lawyers earn more than enough to live on in any developed country, and money wasn't the motivation for me. If it was, I would have gone down the commercial/business law route - But I'd rather lose an arm

Sankari · 3 Mar 2010 at 09:19

Just remember that the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Sometimes... it's soylent green! :eek:

craptakular · 3 Mar 2010 at 09:33

What recruitment websites/employment agencies are you guys looking at?

I have an Env Earth Science degree and 4+ years experience, out of work atm though....

Raymond Lin · 3 Mar 2010 at 09:36

Problem - Law wise, what stage of the qualification are you in? Will you need to get re-qualify in Aus? and when you come back, will you have to get re-qualify again? Or will you be continue paying your licence in the UK while you are abroad to keep it going?

If you haven't qualify yet then at most you can do is a paralegal role anyway, not so much as kick starting your career, more just experience.

Apachegunface · 3 Mar 2010 at 09:51

Oxy said:
What recruitment websites/employment agencies are you guys looking at?

I have an Env Earth Science degree and 4+ years experience, out of work atm though....

Seek - was the one I looked at. Did a quick search for 'law graduate' and a few jobs came up.

I'm not qualified yet, I haven't done my training contract yet but I've done my degree and LPC - I wouldn't necessarily be going out there just to get a training contract, I would take one there if the opportunity arose, but paralegal work would suffice. I could then come back to the UK and probably have more of a chance of getting a training contract here. I don't think there would be a huge barrier to deal with in terms of the law being different - Common wealth countries legal systems are based on the English legal system, especially English speaking common wealth countries. Australia has a common law system, unlike the USA etc... A common law system adopted from the UK!

Amp34 · 3 Mar 2010 at 15:52

[TW]Fox;16074835 said:
Isnt that a hinderance? You need work experience as well as a degree not a fresh degree.

Yes and no. Experience helps like anything but you don't need it to get enough points, at least in the sector i'm looking at (and I would be aiming for sponsorship from the company I was working for too).

What I meant by that was that it's better than having worked in something totally different for a few years and then try and get back into the field.

My (and my coursemates) reasons for going over there is there are a lot of graduate jobs in my sector, as well as jobs you can't really get over here. There just seem to be far more graduate jobs at the moment in Oz and NZ.

Randy Marsh · 3 Mar 2010 at 16:41

I can appreciate the pull of Australia - especially coming straight out of university with limited commitments. Definitely continue your research.

I'm thinking about heading over to Sydney or Melbourne after the summer. I'll have my IT degree + 3 years experience working for a multinational by then.

I get the impression if I go over on a tourist visa I should be able to pick up some work in the sector (maybe on a short-term contract for example) which could lead to longer term employment if the company decides to sponsor me for a 457 visa. The other option is to see whether I can transfer with my existing employer - not sure how open they would be to this though.

Has anyone done something similar? Would be interesting to hear how others have got on and whether I am realistic about my chances.

themistry · 3 Mar 2010 at 17:14

Apachegunface said:
Thinking about thinking about moving to Australia to kick start my legal career. Anyone have experience of moving out there for work? Thanks!

Hi,

actually Australias visa loop holes are awesome.

Get a Working Holiday Visa, then hit up some jobs once you get to Oz. You will generally not find one whilst in the UK.

The moment you have a WHV, you'll find employers will sponsor you for a full visa... if you don't hav a WHV, you won't find an employer... Catch 22, so get a WHV and get out to Oz.

I went out on a WHV but ended up travelling, I know many folks however who did get in respectable professions doing this.

BTW... if you have never been to Oz before and want to go because of neighbours/home and away... be careful.. it is NOT all its cracked up to be

TM

mollymoo · 3 Mar 2010 at 18:25

Apachegunface said:
Austrlia not take your fancy? Great barrier reef, Ayres Rock, Australia's unique wild life? They are very tempting to me.

Yeah been there done that for a couple of years, I can tell you from experience it really isn't all that but horses for courses and all that

As for wildlife remember a lot of it is deadly

Amp34 · 3 Mar 2010 at 20:40

Actually that's another reason for me to go over there, money. The sector isn't exactly poorly paid over here but over there $100,000-150,000 starting salaries aren't exactly rare. I know of a few people who went over, worked for a couple of years and got the experience and money then got bored and came back...

Raymond Lin · 3 Mar 2010 at 21:03

For most other profession I say you could and should go, but even though the legal system is very familiar to ours, it is not the same, nor are the case laws, none of which you have learn can be cited in any brief that you write. Yes, the principles are the same, but the details are totally different.