Multiple blown PSUs!

Those so called surge protectors do more harm than good. I've known of many devices die while connected to cheap "protectors" over the years.

What do these surge protectors exactly do to the mains in order to cause harm?

Do they add spikes to the mains at all? I've found higher quality PSU's use filters on the mains input which is a nice idea but it all adds to the cost.
 
I am a little ignorant of the finer points of surge protectors and why they are needed. I originally thought they were to flatten out any major spikes in mains electricity due to lightning strikes etc. But it may well be possible that most mains electric is pretty stable on the whole and we're being sold a product we don't really need for 99.99% of the time? Let's face it, it wouldn't be the first occasion would it?

PSU is working nicely! But the PC is BSODing despite all efforts. I have pulled the SSD now to drag off my data and think I will do a clean install!
 
I am a little ignorant of the finer points of surge protectors and why they are needed. I originally thought they were to flatten out any major spikes in mains electricity due to lightning strikes etc.

All appliances already contain serious protection. Your concern is a rare transient, maybe once every seven years, that can overwhelm that protection. Risk in the UK is even less due to storms that are less often and powerful.

Two completely different devices exist. A protector adjacent to a computer must either block or absorb a surge. IOW it is for surges that typically cause no damage. And can sometimes compromise protection already inside the PSU.

The other completely different device (unfortunately also called a surge protector) makes a low impedance (ie 'less than 3 meter') connection to earth. Does not do any protection. Instead, it connects a surge to what does all protection. Earth ground. Only earth ground (not any protector) protects from the typically destructive surge.

How to solve your problem AND find someone who actually knows how electricity works. Solution starts by identifying the part that went bang. Without that fact, then any reply is only wild speculation. Best evidence is always the dead body. To say why such damage, that (and other facts) must always be provided.

All power supplies are required to contain circuits so that no supply failure can cause any computer component damage. However, only the computer assembler (and nobody else) is responsible for that protection existing. If a computer assembler (or computer repair tech) does not have basic electrical knowledge, well, that is a market ripe for dumping inferior PSUs into the market.

The BSOD came with many numbers that are important for determining what has actually failed.
 
I've lost 4 PSUs in 3 years, in 2 different house behind 2 different surge protectors, so I have completely lost the plot with what makes them fail. Most of my hardwarehas changed over that time.

I lost an old enermax, then an ocz followed by to XFX, all of which should have been good brands so go figure.
 
Dont waste money on buying cheap PSU as it gets expensive in the long run, invest in a seasonic and stay far away from corsair great RMA but their quality has gone downhill.

Is it true that Corsair have gone downhill? Are OCUK seeing lots of returns?

In my desparate bid to get a reliable PSU Corsair were next on my list to try.
 
Is it true that Corsair have gone downhill? Are OCUK seeing lots of returns?

In my desparate bid to get a reliable PSU Corsair were next on my list to try.

Should have said, XFX are supposed to be seasonic underneath and I have lost 2 of those.
 
The PC is up and running now, although I'm still keeping my fingers crossed!

The item that failed in the last PSU was a small 6 or 8 leg chip. The whole top had blown off. I didn't open up previous PSUs as they went back generally, but I did hear a bang in association with a couple of failures.

The BSOD was only associated with the last failure. The stuff showing was, IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL
and the long string was, 0x0000000A (0x000000016, 0x00000002, 0x00000000, 0x82E5AA5B)

I could get into safe mode, but couldn't find any way of repairing what was flagged as a driver issue. In the end my patience gave out and it was easier to reinstall.

The surge protector was quite a good quality item originally, but it was getting on a bit really. I would have thought a quality PSU would have plenty of it's own built in protection anyway, which is why when the XFX failed I wondered about what other components might be at fault?
 
The PC is up and running now, although I'm still keeping my fingers crossed!
You have no reason to be hopeful. Fingers crossed is simply an example of wild speculation. You have no reason to believe any fault has been identified or any solution implemented.

Provided information is simply shorting your best help of facts. For example, does not matter that some chip had six or eight pins. What specifically was that chip? What did each pin connect to? What were the adjacent parts (to identify which of so many PSU functions were involved)? Which part of the chip (which pin number) appeared to have most damage? Examples of facts necessary for the fewer and better informed to provide any useful assistance.

Only the fewest and better computer techs could answer those questions. An example of how to locate a rare techs who actually knows how computer hardware works.

That BSOD with every number was critically important to, again, have replies from the better informed. Apparently some software in upper memory tried to read memory location 16. Why? Important were all facts in that BSOD including the name of what was probably a driver in upper memory. Then also known is which specific hardware was involved in that crash. Any information that means nothing to you is probably the most important fact to others who better know this stuff. Again, your help was shorted of the most relevant facts.

Also develop a pattern. For example, all facts in multiple BSODs refine (shorten) the supects list.

Define high quality protector. Many protectors are simply a £3 power strip with 10p protector parts selling for £25. Near zero protection selling for obscene profits is quality? Fact that defines quality include numbers in its specifications. Being older is only a problem for low quality protectors.

If a protector is located adjacent to a computer, then it does not even claim to protect from typically destructive transients. And sometimes can make damage easier. Don't take my word for it. Read or post the specification number that claims protection from each type of surge. Don't make conclusions (ie "protector was quite a good quality item"). Better answers occur when hard facts (ie manufacturer specifications) are posted. Conclusions come later.

Why so many failed supplies? Watts do not define quality. In fact, as watts increase, quality can even decrease.

Most all electronic failures have no visual indication. Your failures are some of the easiest to diagnose - the rare visual indication. But without posting what specifically failed, then the fewer who actually know this stuff can only remain silent. No reason was provided to believe those were 'quality protectors'. Too many foolishly associate price with quality.

Maybe a new supply has better internal protection. But remaining are anomalies that destroyed multiple supplies. You have not cured the actual problem. At best only cured symptoms. How often over the past five years have other appliances (dishwasher, clock radio, dimmer switches, portable phone, etc) failed. None should fail in ten years. More relevant facts?
 
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Hi Westom,

You are correct in what you say, but unfortunately I haven't had the time, or facilities to conduct a forensic investigation.

I was hoping that someone might look at my spec, and possibly flag up a known issue with it? Failing that, someone who has been in the same situation and managed to determine their problem which might have pointed me in the same direction.

The PSU I opened had the whole top blown off the small chip! There wasn't much left of it!

It's possible thet I had a selection of cruddy PSUs, including the XFX which should have been decent enough, but I just don't know.
I could start repacing parts one by one, but it would be my luck to replace the offending part last of all! I was hoping someone might have had a simliar experience that might help me narrow my aim a little?
 
Failing that, someone who has been in the same situation and managed to determine their problem which might have pointed me in the same direction.
I have seen your symptoms many times. In every case, the reason was always a new one. I even had a PSU part once explode right in front of my face. Rather exciting. Reason for failure was never same. Number of possiblities are that numerous.
 
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