Multiple cables to outside of house - what's the best method?

Burned_Alive said:
Presuming he's using proper outdoor cable...
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Nope, will be standard indoor cabling which from everything I've read will be fine...especially as I'm running in it conduit (as discussed in the thread)

bitslice said:
Bend radius is part of the installation specs for the cable, Cisco makes a big deal about stuff like this as core separation does influence crosstalk. In real terms the difference is slight, but it's the sign of a sloppy install if you see it.
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I've never had any problems pushing and puling networks leads around all over th place in my old flat or at my parents whenI lived there, I'm sure for uber important installations it's something to consider but for a domestic home when it's just to get a network around the place I doubt it makes very much difference and certainly won't be something I'm fussed about!


bitslice said:
Umm, cables run outside :( they didn't run the mains cabling outside so same applies to net cable I think.
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Huh?
 
I did a similar project a few years ago but fortunately managed to do some of the work internally.

I did, however, use trunking externally but as I was getting the house painted at the same time I just fitted it myself and got the decorators to paint it. (Most of the trunking had to be fitted 3 stories up so having decorators in wasn't a case of being lazy but more that I'd just about plucked up the courage to do the trunking - absolutely hate heights).

If you are using trunking don't make the same mistake I did and underestimate the size you'll need. I used the small trunking that fits 4 lengths of Cat6 cable but then decided to run 3x sky cables as well so had to run two lots of trunking parallel.

Just make sure you have a hole every metre or so in the horizontal pieces to allow water to drain and also better to have too many cables than not enough!
 
boxman2000 said:
Just make sure you have a hole every metre or so in the horizontal pieces to allow water to drain and also better to have too many cables than not enough!
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Water ingress shouldn't a issue, as long as the fittings are glued, & you seal the lids with a bead of sealant, & any other entry points.

I installed conduit in my last place to use to route cat 5 around the house, was there for 8 years, when removed due to moving everything was totally dry & no moisture at all.
 
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valve90210 said:
Nope, will be standard indoor cabling which from everything I've read will be fine...especially as I'm running in it conduit (as discussed in the thread)
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Misinterpreted what you were doing, I thought that was just as an exit point. You would only need outdoor cabling if it was exposed, which is what I have. :)
 
I don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I'd advise that when you drill through the wall you do so at a slight angle, lower at the outside.

No matter how well you seal everything there's always that chance that something may leak in years to come as the sealer ages. If that happens you'll still have gravity on your side and the water won't leak uphill into the house :)
 
Can I ask what kit you're planning on networking? Sounds a bit drastic just for a home network. I'd personally just be relying on power-line/home-plug adaptors and/or wifi...
 
Turbo-G said:
networking? Sounds a bit drastic just for a home network. I'd personally just be relying on power-line/home-plug adaptors and/or wifi...
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I was in the same situation here, had six rooms which needed a network connection, once I calculated costs of home plugs, wifi extenders, the costs were higher than expected.

So had a ferret on the bay, managed to picked up five part rolls, giving me about 400-500mtrs of Unshielded Cat 6 for £15, RJ45 twin outlet faceplates weren't that expensive to buy, has cost me less than £75 to network the house.
 
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I would have that conduit would make it quite unsightly wouldn't it? Some external grade black cat5 and cable clips is going to be no more intrusive than having sky multiroom. Using conduit will sky rocket the price of your project too I should imagine?
 
Burned_Alive said:
Misinterpreted what you were doing, I thought that was just as an exit point. You would only need outdoor cabling if it was exposed, which is what I have. :)
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No worries, easy to miss things like that, as you say, if exposed external cable would be the best option.

paintguy said:
I don't know if it's already been mentioned, but I'd advise that when you drill through the wall you do so at a slight angle, lower at the outside.

No matter how well you seal everything there's always that chance that something may leak in years to come as the sealer ages. If that happens you'll still have gravity on your side and the water won't leak uphill into the house :)
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With my drilling it'll probably be at some obscure angle without me trying! Lol. Will bare that in mind tho!


Turbo-G said:
Can I ask what kit you're planning on networking? Sounds a bit drastic just for a home network. I'd personally just be relying on power-line/home-plug adaptors and/or wifi...
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All sorts of kit, xbox, pc, blu ray, raspberry Pi, etc etc. Can't use power line/home-plugs as I use x10 to control lights, which rely on signals sent down the mains and don't like interference. Also I much prefer wired connections where possible but will also be adding access points on some of the wires to ensure decent coverage for phones and tablets etc
 
TLC Electrical do 20mm Black Standard PVC Conduit - 3 Mts for £1:05p + vat per length.

I have Sky cable running along the wall, about 150mm above soil in front border, & it has already been cut twice, once with spade, second time by some loppers when mother decided to tidy border.:(
 
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Nightglow said:
TLC Electrical do 20mm Black Standard PVC Conduit - 3 Mts for £1:05p + vat per length.

I have Sky cable running along the wall, about 150mm above soil in front border, & it has already been cut twice, once with spade, second time by some loppers when mother decided to tidy border.:(
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Cheers, i shall check that out when the time comes.

That's mothers for you, always 'helping'... Lol
 
I popped up into the loft this morning to do a little measuring up for fitting a proper loft ladder and realised that the wall I want to run the network cables up and into the loft through actually ends lower than the loft as rather than a typaical house with a roof that slopes to the front and rear of the house, this also has a slope to the detached side of the house, which I hadn't realised before...

This makes things a little more tricky for the running of the cables as I had hope to just go straight through the wall and into the loft...if I were to go trough the wall it will have be either in my little boys bedroom, ok it wouldn't be a huge problem, just a hole through, a junction box then up into the loft but his room is beautifully painted (was like it when we moved in) and I don't want to mess it up by drilling and messing about; or it can go through into the landing which would look a bit untidy...

Is there any other safe and fairly easy place I can go into the loft? (I shall try to get some pics either this evening or over the weekend to show what it's like where I want to go into...
 
Would need to see pics, to get clearer idea of your problem.

EDIT:Had similar problem with sister's place, fortunately her place had an indoor stack pipe, so I manage to run a cable within the boxed in pipe.

I've even dropped cables down between a cavity wall, to over come a problem.
 
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bitslice said:
Heh, are you the sparky responsible for building my house in the 70's? :p
Because that's how half the wiring seems to have been done :o
It's going to be a blinking nightmare to fix *cry*
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Me! Never done that for mains wiring & never would, only network,tv cables.:mad:

Quite common practice in the 60's & 70's, I have the same problem here, done the lounge, putting in new chases for sockets & light drops, still have the dining room to do.
Kitchen is a nightmare everything is on spurs.:mad:
 
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Finally managed to get some pics yesterday evening.

First, this is the side of the house. The red circle marks roughly the area where the cable will exit from the cupboard under the stairs.

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You can just about see from the landing window that the roof starts from just about the top of the window.

From there it slopes inwards on the inside for about a foot before the ceiling, meaing that once up in the loft there is no way to go through with the wires, only a drop into the eaves of about 2 feet.

This is the top of the outside, the air vent looks like it might just about line up with where I want the cable to come out at the bottom, though I've not had time to measure it yet.

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Any thoughts where I could go through with the cables to get into the loft, couold i make use of the air vent?

Was rather hoping it wouold be on the wall so it was nice and simepl to use the junction boxes as mentioned.
 
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