must have, should have, could have, would have - aaaaargh

Keyser Soze said:
I still can't understand how people make this mistake.

Is it a common spelling error or would they actually speak the wrong word too?

I have never heard anyone say it wrong.
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I have! Some one I was speaking to said it once, and it confused me because I'd never heard it before. So I said "Brought? Do you mean bought?" and they just looked at me in confusion.
 
platinum87 said:
Yea sure some people do whatever they do, it doesn't mean they stop being wrong?

Point out other peoples mistakes all the time, make mistake yourself ---> commit suicide.
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Sorry, I'm two weeks late coming back to this thread. I'll just pop off and kill myself now.
 
I basically literally would have known only a women who done or seen this a lot on OcUK

I'm trying to create the perfect 'OcUK' sentence... That makes some sense. Needs more work.
 
dmpoole said:
I've had a drink so I'm going to tell you just how much this annoys me.

I would have done it
I must have seen it
I could have had one of those
I should have had English lessons

When did it all go wrong?
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It is the way I speak, have has been replaced with of. The two have become totaly interchangable in the context you have writen them.

I would have done it.
I would've done it.
I would have done it.
I would a done it.
 
kylew said:
Grammar isn't about being clever, that's why it annoys people so much, because it really isn't hard.
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It is hard for some people. I hate the whole elitist "I'm angry at you because you used 'their' wrong" culture.

For some people, just like maths and history and science, English IS HARD. Even though they've been speaking it their whole lives, it's just more difficult for some people. Why do so many have trouble understanding that.
 
The one that has constant argurements is:

example

I'll take these documents with me

or

I'll bring these documents with me

I use take my wife uses bring. I think it depends on the region.

Much like,

I'm going up the town - I'm going down the town.
 
Orcish-Horde said:
It is the way I speak, have has been replaced with of. The two have become totally interchangeable in the context you have written them.

I would have done it.
I would've done it.
I would have done it.
I would a done it.
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The way you speak, yes, but it's not how it should be written. Would've can sound exactly the same as "would have", the importance is how it's written, not how it's said. According to your logic, there's absolutely nothing wrong with people getting "they're", "there", "their", "your", "you're", "were", "ware", "where" and "wear" wrong, because you can't tell the difference just by listening to them (with the exception of "where" for some).
 
jas72 said:
The one that has constant argurements is:

example

I'll take these documents with me

or

I'll bring these documents with me

I use take my wife uses bring. I think it depends on the region.

Much like,

I'm going up the town - I'm going down the town.
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That is in no way the same as writing "would have" instead of "would have". To write "would have" when you mean "would have" is wrong, there's no debating whether it's right or not, it's simply always wrong. The fact that people now think "of" and "have" mean the same thing is evidence of that, where they're using "of" in place of "have", as if "have" doesn't exist.
 
Pete.Dakota said:
It is hard for some people. I hate the whole elitist "I'm angry at you because you used 'their' wrong" culture.

For some people, just like maths and history and science, English IS HARD. Even though they've been speaking it their whole lives, it's just more difficult for some people. Why do so many have trouble understanding that.
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It's hard because people simply don't care about it, so won't put any effort in. A decent grasp of English is no way comparable to maths, which actually has a level of intelligence required for it. It has nothing to do with being elitist, if it was, why am I saying it's easy? If I was being elitist, I'd be going on about how stupid people are for not being able to grasp the very basics of English, while saying I am so great for being able to.

If you're speaking or writing English wrong, what is your problem with it being pointed out? The reason it annoys people is because it screams ignorance, and then the attitude that it doesn't matter anyway. If people continue to ignore people getting English wrong, more and more people are going to think the mistakes they're making, aren't mistakes, this is already happening, and an overwhelming amount of people on this very forum have quite poor English. For example, you see "definitely" spelt wrong, far more than you see it spelt right, I actually see it spelt as "defiantly" quite often, so I see "defiantly" being used in place of "definitely" more than I see people using "defiantly" properly!
 
kylew said:
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You seem to use almost any opportunity to point out these common foibles in the other people's English skill.

I think this thread says more about you than it does about everyone and anyone else's ability to use correct spelling and grammar. If you care so much about people being content with getting it wrong, instead of complaining on a forum, go volunteer as an English teacher.

Everyone knows that some people get the language wrong, that's no secret. All you've shown is that you like to point it out.
 
Pete.Dakota said:
You seem to use almost any opportunity to point out these common foibles in the other people's English skill.

I think this thread says more about you than it does about everyone and anyone else's ability to use correct spelling and grammar. If you care so much about people being content with getting it wrong, instead of complaining on a forum, go volunteer as an English teacher.

Everyone knows that some people get the language wrong, that's no secret. All you've shown is that you like to point it out.
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You didn't answer my question, why is it such a problem to point it out? Do you not like it because of how it makes you feel?I don't understand the big issue with being corrected, you wouldn't get corrected if you weren't doing something wrong, right? There's spellings of things that I didn't realise I was getting wrong until some one pointed it out, I didn't have an issue with it, why would I? :confused:

On top of that, why would I volunteer to be an English teacher? Is that your train of thought when people point out mistakes? "Well why don't you go and teach it then?!", that's not practical for one. Me pointing out mistakes doesn't mean I want to be a teacher, and you probably know this.

Either way, you'd never know you were making mistakes unless you noticed it yourself, or some one points it out, it's a non-issue, unless you make it in to one with how you take it yourself.
 
kylew said:
That is in no way the same as writing "would have" instead of "would have". To write "would have" when you mean "would have" is wrong, there's no debating whether it's right or not, it's simply always wrong. The fact that people now think "of" and "have" mean the same thing is evidence of that, where they're using "of" in place of "have", as if "have" doesn't exist.
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Thanks but the would have or would have arguement was finished.

I was simply posing my verbal conundrums to the masses without creating a superfluous thread on the topic, which, I hasten to add, would have went down like a lead balloon.
 
kylew said:
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I don't like correcting people. When I correct people I feel arrogant and snobbish, and I get the impression people in the room think I'm being snobbish too. I've heard people correct other people on stuff like facts and grammar and have felt them to be arrogant and snobbish too. I just don't think it's a nice thing to do to someone, unless it's your job to correct them and they are expecting to be corrected when they make a mistake.

I don't believe people who aren't on your commission would think it nice or thank you for correcting their English. I'm relatively certain they would dislike you for it.

But like you allude to, that's just me.

And I never intended to answer your question as any answer would have been a damp squib.
 
Pete.Dakota said:
I don't like correcting people. When I correct people I feel arrogant and snobbish, and I get the impression people in the room think I'm being snobbish too.
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That's your opinion, but you can't enforce that on others. As I've said, I'm not correcting people to feel clever, or being arrogant and snobbish. If I don't think it's hard, what have I got to be arrogant over?

I've heard people correct other people on stuff like facts and grammar and have felt them to be arrogant and snobbish too. I just don't think it's a nice thing to do to someone, unless it's your job to correct them and they are expecting to be corrected when they make a mistake.
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That's because some people just can't handle being corrected, and they take it as a personal insult, that's their issue though.


I don't believe people who aren't on your commission would think it nice or thank you for correcting their English. I'm relatively certain they would dislike you for it.
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I've corrected many people, and been corrected by many too, a lot don't see an issue, some take a hissy fit and make a fool of themselves, again it's their issue.

But like you allude to, that's just me.
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It is

And I never intended to answer your question as any answer would have been a damp squib.
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Yet you did anyway.
 
jas72 said:
Thanks but the would have or would have argument was finished.

I was simply posing my verbal conundrums to the masses without creating a superfluous thread on the topic, which, I hasten to add, would have went down like a lead balloon.
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Apologies in that case, I thought you were saying it was the same thing. :)
 
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