My dads new build to be (all threads into 1)

im just going what information ive been told by many on at least 3 different FSX forums... cos originally I was going to get a 6 core AMD Phenom II and they said not too bother as FSX will not use more than 4 cores - if their theory is right then 4 more threads would not be used by FSX, i may be wrong but FSX is primarily a single threaded application and was not deisgned for multi-core systems...im sure thats what ive been told aswell (long time ago) ...im not sure how it all works but im just going off what ive been told.

I would love to put a 2600K in my dads machine but he just cant afford it so he has to make do with 2500K ...lots of other people say FSX runs find on 2500K @ 4.4Ghz
 
Reaper 392 said:
had a little rethink. you could split the build between two shops. get the case + SSD + whatever is cheaper from one competitor, then get the rest from OcUK:

YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - OEM £159.98
1 x MSI GeForce GTX 460 HAWK "Super-OC" 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card £125.99
1 x Asus P8P67 LE Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard - (Sandybridge) ** B3 REVISION ** *LOWEST UK PRICE* £78.98
1 x BeQuiet Pure Power L7 530W '80 Plus' Power Supply £44.99
1 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache - OEM (ST3500413AS) £29.99
1 x OCZ Gold 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz Low-Voltage Dual Channel Kit (OCZ3G1333LV4GK) £25.99
1 x Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 CPU Cooler (Socket 939 / AM2 / AM3 / 775 / 1155/ 1156 / 1366) £19.99
1 x Sony Optiarc AD-7260S 24x DVD±RW SATA Lightscribe ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.98
Total : £514.90 (includes shipping : £10.00).

ive changed the RAM in an attempt to save more money. the corsair RAM is better, but im trying to save money wherever i can.

couldnt bring myself to change the heatsink because anything cheaper than the gelid on OcUK is a big step backwards
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thanks... we are going to have to sit tomorrow while he is here and re-think it all, we cant afford to be paying P&P from 2 or 3 websites, once you do that you may aswell re-price up all from one website with the P&P added from the other 2..

can you tell me why the GELLID is better than the FREEZER PRO..? the reason I chose the Freezer Pro is because it is known to be super quiet and is cheaper.

other people are on about 6Gb of ram at least for FSX... ive not been told this on FSX forums...will ask now.. we would like to keep the Corsair also...1600Mhz

edit: he gunna have to move money into my bank account to make the order
 
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snadge said:
can you tell me why the GELLID is better than the FREEZER PRO..? the reason I chose the Freezer Pro is because it is known to be super quiet and is cheaper.
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look at the results in blue (ignore the green ones, those are with a custom fan)

temperature:
gelid tranquillo - 63C
freezer 7 pro rev 2 - 82C
those temperatures are the difference between ambient and CPU temperatures. they actually had to turn the air con up super high for the freezer 7 to complete its test without damaging the CPU

noise:
gelid tranquillo - 26db
freezer 7 pro rev 2 - 29db
 
surely the freezer pro cant be that hot on full load? 82'c..? they must have had a duff fanspeed or summit like...it gets rave reviews and loads of people buy them and note how cool their CPU is under load? my dad has REV1 on his pentium (we got simply to cut noise) and it reduced temps by 10'c.. that benchmark shows to be hotter than stock HSF's??

if you read reviews on the buyers page it gets good reviews...

I may consider swapping it still though.

other people are on about 6Gb of ram at least for FSX... ive not been told this on FSX forums...will ask now.. we would like to keep the Corsair also...1600Mhz

edit: he gunna have to move money into my bank account to make the order
 
Subliminal Aura said:
Did you read the synthetic / compute sections ? - Gaming is not real computing... Look at cpu benchmarks and you'll find the 2600k wipes the floor and flushes the 2500k.

FSX is heavily cpu bound so you're looking at a very big performance gap for just £100.

If however you want to use your dad's computer to play your run of the mill gpu bound games then you wouldn't notice much difference between the 2500k and the 2600k. Have a look on these forums for fritz benches for the 2500k and 2600k - the gap *will* shock you
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were are these benchmarks that show the 2600K wiping the floor with the 2500K on FSX only? ive asked on FSX forum and ive been told again that HTT is useless on the 2600K on FSX and its actually benchmarked WORSE than the 2500K and that the 2500K is the budget king for gaming.

if you can supply proof i can show them that they are wrong.
 
well, it wouldnt be proof if you can prove it wrong now ;)
well anyways, good luck with the build and dont forget to put up some pics. enjoy :)
 
snadge said:
surely the freezer pro cant be that hot on full load? 82'c..? they must have had a duff fanspeed or summit like...it gets rave reviews and loads of people buy them and note how cool their CPU is under load? my dad has REV1 on his pentium (we got simply to cut noise) and it reduced temps by 10'c.. that benchmark shows to be hotter than stock HSF's??

if you read reviews on the buyers page it gets good reviews...
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The Freezer 7 pro is not a good cooler for overclocking, but a good replacement for a stock cooler, and mild overclocking. If you want to get the most out of the 2500K, you'll have to upgrade to something better, like a Hyper 212+, Gelid, A50, or beyond. The Gelid is probably the more silent of the budget coolers, while still having good performance. For a tenner more, they are better investments.

With a 212+ or better, you'll be able to overclock to 4.2GHz (almost 30%), without running into temps problems. The Freezer 7 wont be able to cope. Of course, more expensive coolers go higher. Silver Arrow up to 4.8GHz, but then you have to increase the CPU voltage to higher levels, and you'll need a decent motherboard.

All in all, aiming at 4.2, 4.4 on a 2500K-2600K, with voltage under 1.325V, you will get the best out of the setup without threatening the CPU with temps, voltage instability, or voltage levels.
 
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mmm more conflictin info as ive been told on here that even the stock cooler would do for overclocking at 4Ghz etc?

i'll probs go for gelid simply cos of budget
 
my dad will be here any minute, still havent finalised the build... I think SSD is gunna have to go out the window

and, im not sure about BeQuiet PSU as ive never heard of them? - are they reliable? they only have 2 yr GT
 
yeah thats what im going for now... im just saying others on here said i could overclock with stock cooler if needs be (due too tight budget)
 
snadge said:
my dad will be here any minute, still havent finalised the build... I think SSD is gunna have to go out the window

and, im not sure about BeQuiet PSU as ive never heard of them? - are they reliable? they only have 2 yr GT
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Yeah they're all right. This particular model has peak 35 amps on 12 volts (420W). So it can take a CPU and GPU OK, 80% efficiency, good temps and noise and will easily take on a 5850 / 460.

If you want better, can't go wrong with Antec HCG 620W. If you don't need the power, can try Corsair CX but I wouldn't recommend for gaming. Make sure the PSU has two PCIE and from a good brand, then it's a good indication it can handle a 460.
 
snadge said:
mmm more conflictin info as ive been told on here that even the stock cooler would do for overclocking at 4Ghz etc?

i'll probs go for gelid simply cos of budget
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The info being offered is pretty straight forward.

- You can attempt overclocking on stock cooler, but for what youd get (when tested 100% intelburntest), it's not worth it. You'll get your CPU hot and bothered. Anandtech did pushed to 4.4GHz but imo that's risky and really not worth a potential disaster (or just throttling / reboots) when you can get good cooling and noise for £25.

- A Freezer 7 Pro will deal better than stock, but it will struggle when pushed. If you look at regular reviews of other coolers that are compared with the freezer pro, the freezer pro often even fail to run the higher overclock tests.

- For a little bit more money than the freezer, you can reach safe 30% overclock and easily. That's the sweet spot for overclocking Sandybridge.

some more info.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18227651
 
im just saying someone on here said i could even overclock on the i5 stock cooler and im sure they said 4Ghz+ - im gunna look for that post when i get time... anyway im buying the GELLID anyway

just need to find out if this DVD drive is working or not before I purchase the build as I can use the cash elsewherec - i have £620 for the build.

the DVD stutters during DVD playback and file copy seems to take longer than should
 
How about this :

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Its not the best but was going by what the OP asked for.

snadge said:
CASES
a MIDI size, not huge, something black, shiny and smart, no gamers cases - just plain but but smart, has to have a door or sorts as lots of unused bays is UGLY! the one he liked as the Asus TA-9L1 but not on OCuk
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EDIT**
I would have picked the Shinobi, nicer looking but has no door.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-008-BX&tool=3
 
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