My DDC is dead :(

I used the EK supreme with a D5, and had a DDC18w before that, and get temps of 40c idle and 60ish under load.
The gfx card if its a full cover block will add a lot of restriction. They are also expensive which is why I dont put them under water anymore as I like to swap my card every 12-18 months :)
 
People need to stop buying overpriced DDC pumps that die left and right, and start getting better, more reliable, and CHEAPER pumps like the EK/OCZ/Phobya pump.
 
The DDC's die 'more often' because they are by far the most popular pump. Few will make threads saying that their pumps are working fine. Running two pumps of different spec in the same loop is not advised though.

As an experiment and contrary to my earlier post, I'm running two 18w ddc's in series - I'll keep you all posted should one/both die in the near future.
 
People need to stop buying overpriced DDC pumps that die left and right, and start getting better, more reliable, and CHEAPER pumps like the EK/OCZ/Phobya pump.

How are they better? They have much lower head pressure, and he's running a very restrictive loop with a cpu block that needs high flow to perform well. They'd just be a waste of £30 or whatever before he realises they're not up to the job.

Jon, I'd do as shadowscotland suggests and drain the loop and have a look inside the supreme. If you were getting fine temperatures before I can't see the cpu block suddenly developing a poor contact.
 
The consensus to take the block apart and have a look convinced me, so I did so. There was some black stuff in there, but not very much. Responsible for a few degrees, but surely not 50. One of the mounting screws was a bit loose though, so a bad mount seems likely. No decent guesses at how it worked loose yet. There's no impingement plate in my block as I'm not convinced they do more good than harm.

I discovered an even covering of the gallium, and no signs of the two blocks adhering to each other at all (somewhat to my disappointment). The waterblock was still shiny to my astonishment, I thought the copper would have tarnished by now. So the contact areas looked ok, but pressure was lacking.

System back together and reporting idle temperatures of around 50. It climbs steadily under load to the high 90s, and falls slowly when the load is removed. Temperature drops to 50 when the pump is turned off then climbs slowly, which I'm pretty sure means there's air inside the block which is displaced with the shock of the pump turning off.

I haven't done much about the loose connection on the pump yet, I think I'll take the wires out of the plug and solder them back in as a first attempt. I'm also (perhaps unwisely) using the unreliable pump in the cpu loop, as I'm more confident in the processor surviving a pump stalling than the graphics cards. What I have done is pull the pins out of the molex plug and shove them directly into the psu cable, which appears to have done the trick.

Good luck w3bbo, I'm not dissuaded from using multiple pumps in series either.

If it clarifies any of the above, I've split my system into two entirely independent loops. The one giving trouble contains a lapped ek supreme, three radiators, an xspc chipset block and an unreliable 18W ddc. There's also a horrifically crude if very compact loop with two graphics cards and a single radiator, which may prove to be so badly laid out that it's impossible to bleed it. I should probably have provided photos.


edit: A quick check, if the water level in a reservoir drops lots when the pump is turned on, this suggests an airlock somewhere through the loop is being compressed but not dislodged?


Loop is now definitely bled, yet the temperature still climbs steadily up to 100 even when idling. Radiators are not the limiting factor, so I'm starting to think pulling the entire thing apart is the way to go. Unfortunately.
 
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Ahh damn it. Still not got to the bottom of this. Remounted, the barbs on the cpu block are now very hot to the touch when the computer shuts down. Replaced the pump without changing anything else (unscrewed it from the ddc top, then screwed a new one in it's place). No change.

So, hot waterblock means the mount is ok. Water level drops with the new pump as well as the old, so I'm currently guessing the flow rate is disgracefully poor. So I'm looking for an obstruction in the loop, which would be easier if it was less entangled in my case. Most of the tubing is wrapped in steel wire so I thought collapsed / kinked tubing was unlikely, but this is now my best guess.

Note to self, watercooling is harder to troubleshoot than air cooling after all.
 
Got any pics Jon?

Sometimes I find it is faster to drain the entire loop and just pull everything apart check every part for obstructions and clean, then start again.

Start from scratch, rethink the radiator setup and fan directions, redesign the loop layout for simplicity, short runs, and minimum 90° connectors.

On weebeastie I did this like 3 times before I got a great result in CPU temperatures. All the way through GPU temps were fine but the 920 was always running a bit hot for my tastes, but reducing the restriction on the loop, shortening the runs and balancing the fan directions on the rads fixed it up in the end :)
 
Note to self, watercooling is harder to troubleshoot than air cooling after all.

That's why the 'clean' look is so popular - spiders nest is a nightmare as well as smaller loop = faster flow.
Keep up the good fight Jon - In my first loop upgraded I found this - anything is possable

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The water inside my radiators was black, not sure what from. Trying to work up the courage to take a swig in the spirit of finding out, it's something particulate in that it settles out of solution. I also found a fair amount of very tubing where I'd been overly ambitious winding it around the case. With a test loop set up I now have idle 25 degrees, load 45 on the cpu at stock settings. The clean look does seem to be the way to go.

That's an inspiring photo SS, if your pump survived that then it's surely good news for the rest of us. Can't have been a nice thing to find in the tubing though. Pics are absent, but hopefully it'll suffice to say that it took me over two hours to get the radiators out of the case. The watercooled psu is responsible for most of that (and also responsible for the tubing bends which flattened over time).

I shall have to come up with a better way to arrange the various components. That's alright though, my project log is long overdue an update.

Thanks for your advice here guys, it's been a terribly long troubleshooting process. I was even considering air cooling at points, scary thought that :)
 
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