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My GPU core temp is 80c...
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I do, yet you fail to realise that a card sitting at 80C on IDLE is quite clearly suffering from a faulty heatsink/fan assembly. You contridicted yourself in the post I put lol to seen as it didn't warrant any more of an answer than that.
Why on earth would you think that 80C whilst IDLE is an acceptable level? If he watched a youtube video, his graphics card would probably hit the thermal limit and throttle hard to try stop itself from melting.
To the OP, like I've said before, replace the card or replace the HSF.
there is definitely something wrong i had 8800gts g92 temps never were so high , also people saying that 4870 idle 80 c it is something wrong with the card as my idles @ 40 c with bad airflow case, on my second pc.
try resit the cooler
try resit the cooler
I had an 8800GT which i'm sure it's pretty much the same card,was going over the 100'C in some games and idle about 70-80'C.
I took the cooler off and cleaned all dust/thermal paste away.
Re-applied thermal paste and it was a lot better, 40-50 idle and 90's at load.
Carefull with the pads on the memory and VRMs, mine flaked apart and I think that's why the card died eventually..
I took the cooler off and cleaned all dust/thermal paste away.
Re-applied thermal paste and it was a lot better, 40-50 idle and 90's at load.
Carefull with the pads on the memory and VRMs, mine flaked apart and I think that's why the card died eventually..
Firstly, I didn't contradict myself. I said it was a probably a poor heatsink/fan, not a faulty one. A faulty product is one that doesn't perfom as the designer/manufacturer intended.
My position is quite straightforward. I think this is a basic non enthusiast card with cooling that just keeps it within spec. Your position is that you don't consider the temperatures to be reasonable so it must be faulty.
You said "If he watched a youtube video, his graphics card would probably hit the thermal limit and throttle hard to try stop itself from melting." The OP said it hit 94c while playing a game, which is, again, within spec.
As far as NVIDIA is concerned:
"NVIDIA GPUs are designed to operate reliably up to their maximum specified operating temperature. This maximum temperature varies by GPU, but is generally in the 105C range (refer to the nvidia.com product page for individual GPU specifications). If a GPU hits the maximum temperature, the driver will throttle down performance to attempt to bring temperature back underneath the maximum specification. If the GPU temperature continues to increase despite the performance throttling, the GPU will shutdown the system to prevent damage to the graphics card."
The OP has said multiple times that he hasn't experienced any problems with the card's performance and if he's happy with it he should just carry on using it until it dies like any other piece of hardware. Personally, given its age, I'd replace it with something like the 6850 as suggested in other posts, but trying to get it cooler achieves, at best, nothing but the same card, doing the same stuff, at a lower temperature. At worst, he wastes money and risks damaging a working card he's otherwise happy with.
I realise that this is an enthusiast forum where people often use superior cooling methods and care a lot about temperatures, benchmark results, et cetera. However, I'm not going to apologise for not caring in the slightest beyond general, real world performance.
As to "Why on earth would you think that 80C whilst IDLE is an acceptable level?" (this includes the 4870 temperature). Because, again, it's within spec. I'm quite sure people can go to review sites and see things like the reference design 4850 exceeding 80+c when tested, sometimes 90c. The 4800 series was well know for running hot, and mine did indeed idle at 80+c and load at 85/90c without throttling or the fan speed increasing significantly. It also ran quite happily for years and it's unlikely that the eventual fault which led to me fitting a new card was temperature related. It's not surprising as decent coolers add to the cost and people notice noise more than temperature, so it's easier to let the heat build up and just cool enough to keep it in line.
As a side note, my case was an Antec P182, it had multiple fans, good airflow and everything else was fine, with the CPU often around 30c idle. However, I fitted a "proper" cooler, so it's not surprising.
Now, I did not intend to hijack the OP's thread, and with hindsight I acknowledge that my initial post could have been more helpful, but it was late and I just went ahead and made a post. I've said all I want to and since the OP has more than enough advice in this thread to make a decision, I don't intend to reply again.
You honestly don't have a clue what you are on about. 80C idle and over 90 in a 2D game means that the lifespawn of that GPU will be severely limited. Just because the max temp is slightly higher, doesn't mean the card is designed to run at it 24/7.
The cooler is faulty and arguing about the nomenclature I use is just purile.
The cooler is faulty and arguing about the nomenclature I use is just purile.
I have to agree with this. No way should ANY gfx card be at 80c+ on idle. If it was me, after the usual de-dust and if the temp was still way high, then so long as the fan is still spinning correctly, then take the heatsink off, and clean off the old thermal paste and add new.
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I agree for most stock gpu's they don't hit this at full load. On idle either the Cooling is not working or the card is faulty. Overclocked on full load my 6950 gets to a max of about 60c.
At least we can be thankful for that
lol, agreed.
I wasn't going to, but frankly it's too easy...
4850 random review links and comments from the first page in a Google search ("4850 review temperature"):
bit-tech
"However, one thing that has concerned us—and many like-minded hardware enthusiasts—is the stock cooler's performance. Although the cooler is quiet, the GPU and memory end up running rather hot because there isn't a massive amount of airflow – we had recorded temperatures over 80°C when the stock-cooled card is idling on the Windows desktop.
With that said, 80°C isn't hot enough to cause system instabilities, but it is a little warm for our liking."
guru3d
"Typically the standard Radeon 4850 products come with a bit of an average cooler. Temperatures can rise up-to 95 Degrees C on these products."
tomshardware.com
81/87c Idle/Load
"Not surprisingly, the Radeon HD 4850 runs hot – all you needed to do was touch the card (a few split seconds was all we could bear) to confirm that. Still, it didn’t exceed the high temperatures posted by the Radeon HD 3870. Its record silence at idle also comes at a price, with a temperature 20°C higher than most cards in idle mode."
techspot.com
71/89c Idle/Load
The operating temperatures on the other hand are not superb. The Radeon HD 4850 idled at an insane 71 degrees, while under load the card almost reached 90 degrees, which is just unacceptable. Even though this is an Asus board and they are partly guilty for shipping with this cooler, you will find that a majority, if not all current Radeon HD 4850 products from different manufacturers are shipping with the exact same cooler.
We definitely appreciate the silent operation and single-slot cooler design, but if we could have it all we would rather have a graphics card that won't heat up our entire case at idle!
We decided to investigate our cooling issues a little further. Considering the Radeon HD 4850 is based on a 55nm design we were sure the problem was with the heatsink being insufficient. Our suspicions were confirmed when we installed the Thermaltake DuOrb on the Radeon HD 4850. With the new cooler in place idle temps sat at 28 degrees, while full load temperatures went down to 37 degrees. These figures go way more in line with the kind of low power consumption levels that the Radeon HD 4850 produces.
I could post more, but what's the point?
If you guys want to obsess over temperatures, that's fine. Frankly, I treat graphics cards like consumables and as long as they out last the warranty I couldn't care less.
EDIT: Oh, and my card which was also presumably faulty came from OCUK.
4850 random review links and comments from the first page in a Google search ("4850 review temperature"):
bit-tech
"However, one thing that has concerned us—and many like-minded hardware enthusiasts—is the stock cooler's performance. Although the cooler is quiet, the GPU and memory end up running rather hot because there isn't a massive amount of airflow – we had recorded temperatures over 80°C when the stock-cooled card is idling on the Windows desktop.
With that said, 80°C isn't hot enough to cause system instabilities, but it is a little warm for our liking."
guru3d
"Typically the standard Radeon 4850 products come with a bit of an average cooler. Temperatures can rise up-to 95 Degrees C on these products."
tomshardware.com
81/87c Idle/Load
"Not surprisingly, the Radeon HD 4850 runs hot – all you needed to do was touch the card (a few split seconds was all we could bear) to confirm that. Still, it didn’t exceed the high temperatures posted by the Radeon HD 3870. Its record silence at idle also comes at a price, with a temperature 20°C higher than most cards in idle mode."
techspot.com
71/89c Idle/Load
The operating temperatures on the other hand are not superb. The Radeon HD 4850 idled at an insane 71 degrees, while under load the card almost reached 90 degrees, which is just unacceptable. Even though this is an Asus board and they are partly guilty for shipping with this cooler, you will find that a majority, if not all current Radeon HD 4850 products from different manufacturers are shipping with the exact same cooler.
We definitely appreciate the silent operation and single-slot cooler design, but if we could have it all we would rather have a graphics card that won't heat up our entire case at idle!
We decided to investigate our cooling issues a little further. Considering the Radeon HD 4850 is based on a 55nm design we were sure the problem was with the heatsink being insufficient. Our suspicions were confirmed when we installed the Thermaltake DuOrb on the Radeon HD 4850. With the new cooler in place idle temps sat at 28 degrees, while full load temperatures went down to 37 degrees. These figures go way more in line with the kind of low power consumption levels that the Radeon HD 4850 produces.
I could post more, but what's the point?
If you guys want to obsess over temperatures, that's fine. Frankly, I treat graphics cards like consumables and as long as they out last the warranty I couldn't care less.
EDIT: Oh, and my card which was also presumably faulty came from OCUK.
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It was nice while it lasted and I'm glad to see you're a man of your word
Perhaps your time would have been better spent concentrating on the OP's card (9800 GT) and not derailing the thread talking about the HD 4850.
From the EVGA site:
Hi,
I'm not sure if I should have posted this in one of the thread that already been start about this, but anyway, here's the questions.
I wanna know if I should buy another fan to help lower my temp with my EVGA 9800 GT.
Right now, i get 55-56°C idle with fan at 35% and I reach 80°C when loaded (WoW, NWN - note that it get a little bit higher with NWN) with fan at an average of 75-77% on auto.
So are those temp ok ?
Also, is it to much asking for the fan to go at 75% for a couples of hours everyday ? Will it get it "old" to quick ?
Thanks for further answers
ANd sorry for my english, it's not my first language.
From Tomshardware:
I'll get straight to the point. The GPU I have atm, the XFX 9800GT, is a great card. Performance wise I can't find a fault. (Here's a link so you know exactly what I mean
It's factory overclocked which I think is part of the problem. It's hot. Idle it's around 60c at load at 80c. I'm not overly worried about the temperatures as research suggest it's within acceptable limits for the chip. The problem is that once it gets to 80c the cooling fan spins faster to compensate and it's loud. Loud to distraction. And it doesn't seem to do a brilliant job either. For example I was playing Civ 4 a few days ago which isn't the most punishing game graphics wise, but the fan was at full pelt much of the time. Civ 4 isn't the noisest of games, no explosions or anything, so the game sound didn't do a good job of masking the fan noise.
I've been looking into solutions and aside from replacing the cooling unit I've not really found any. It's a lot more noticable as well since I moved the PC upstairs before Christmas, heat rising and all that. So it spins up more frequently and moving it back downstairs is not an option.
I've had a look at alternate coolers, such as the ones here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productli ... &subid=787, but there's two things that bother me. Firstly I've never replaced a GPU's cooling and, while I'm keen to learn, the risks in doing it on my own card are not appealing. Also it's still got around 18 months warranty left on it and considering the temperatures it's been running at I'm loathe to void it. I'm also not convinced that adding a side fan to my PC's case will help significantly enough to stop the GPU hitting that magic 80c mark. A new GPU is not an option either, especially when I've got one that works fine, noise aside.
So the question is...do you guys have any thoughts on possible solutions?
and from yahoo answers:
9800 gt Idle Temperature?
Is 55 Degrees Celsius a good Idle temp for a 9800 gt for surfing the web and using to PC etc? I got fan speed set to 100% and at night it seems to drop about 2 degrees since its cooler (if i set fan speed to auto its like 66 degrees on average at idle temp). I removed the fan from the card before to clean the fan better and did not reapply any new thermal paste since a lot was still on the gpu chip and I don't have any atm but I was getting the same temps before I removed the fan anyway so I don't think re applying is that big of a deal. What I really want to know is if this is a good idle temp? I have the fan the came with the card btw.
As you can see these idle temps are far far below the OP idle temps...This leads me to believe something is wrong. Oh and just to state, the OP uses a 9800GT.
Hi,
I'm not sure if I should have posted this in one of the thread that already been start about this, but anyway, here's the questions.
I wanna know if I should buy another fan to help lower my temp with my EVGA 9800 GT.
Right now, i get 55-56°C idle with fan at 35% and I reach 80°C when loaded (WoW, NWN - note that it get a little bit higher with NWN) with fan at an average of 75-77% on auto.
So are those temp ok ?
Also, is it to much asking for the fan to go at 75% for a couples of hours everyday ? Will it get it "old" to quick ?
Thanks for further answers
ANd sorry for my english, it's not my first language.
From Tomshardware:
I'll get straight to the point. The GPU I have atm, the XFX 9800GT, is a great card. Performance wise I can't find a fault. (Here's a link so you know exactly what I mean
It's factory overclocked which I think is part of the problem. It's hot. Idle it's around 60c at load at 80c. I'm not overly worried about the temperatures as research suggest it's within acceptable limits for the chip. The problem is that once it gets to 80c the cooling fan spins faster to compensate and it's loud. Loud to distraction. And it doesn't seem to do a brilliant job either. For example I was playing Civ 4 a few days ago which isn't the most punishing game graphics wise, but the fan was at full pelt much of the time. Civ 4 isn't the noisest of games, no explosions or anything, so the game sound didn't do a good job of masking the fan noise.
I've been looking into solutions and aside from replacing the cooling unit I've not really found any. It's a lot more noticable as well since I moved the PC upstairs before Christmas, heat rising and all that. So it spins up more frequently and moving it back downstairs is not an option.
I've had a look at alternate coolers, such as the ones here http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productli ... &subid=787, but there's two things that bother me. Firstly I've never replaced a GPU's cooling and, while I'm keen to learn, the risks in doing it on my own card are not appealing. Also it's still got around 18 months warranty left on it and considering the temperatures it's been running at I'm loathe to void it. I'm also not convinced that adding a side fan to my PC's case will help significantly enough to stop the GPU hitting that magic 80c mark. A new GPU is not an option either, especially when I've got one that works fine, noise aside.
So the question is...do you guys have any thoughts on possible solutions?
and from yahoo answers:
9800 gt Idle Temperature?
Is 55 Degrees Celsius a good Idle temp for a 9800 gt for surfing the web and using to PC etc? I got fan speed set to 100% and at night it seems to drop about 2 degrees since its cooler (if i set fan speed to auto its like 66 degrees on average at idle temp). I removed the fan from the card before to clean the fan better and did not reapply any new thermal paste since a lot was still on the gpu chip and I don't have any atm but I was getting the same temps before I removed the fan anyway so I don't think re applying is that big of a deal. What I really want to know is if this is a good idle temp? I have the fan the came with the card btw.
As you can see these idle temps are far far below the OP idle temps...This leads me to believe something is wrong. Oh and just to state, the OP uses a 9800GT.
*Sigh*
Since I've already broken my word by replying (I'm not arguing with that), I may as well dig myself a hole that's a little deeper.
If I've come across as hostile it's because of certain comments which I took personally. I've also had a bad cold for the last week so I may be in a bad mood already.
Firstly, the 4850 examples were in relation to the various comments in other posts about 4850/4870 temperatures and all I was trying to show was that there are cards that run at those levels with stock coolers. I was not making a direct comparison to the OP's 9800 GT.
Secondly, I am in no way saying that it wouldn't be better if it ran (a lot) cooler. I wouldn't dream of overclocking that card and its temperature may well shorten its life. I don't dispute for one moment that if he replaced the heatsink it would run cooler and that would be better overall.
Unfortunately, there quite a lot of information missing about what temperatures the card ran in the past, the voltages, make of card, full case layout, actual fan speed, what happens when the card gets really stressed out and so on.
I still think that the card is just on the edge of running okay and its performance is indicative of a budget card/cooler in a less than optimal situation.
If there was more info, say, it going higher than the mid nineties under maximum stress then I would agree that the cooler should be re-seated or replaced.
However, I got the impression that the OP's main concern was if serious problems were going to develop at those temperatures and given that the card is really pretty old already I honestly don't think it's worth worrying about. I didn't want him to panic, waste money or to try and modify hardware if he hadn't done it before.
Personally, I often run the cheapest reference design card, don't overclock it and often change it when the warranty runs out, if necessary, so that may be why higher temperatures don't seem that unusual to me.
Anyway, I really didn't want this thread to become "epic" or to come across as an ass. I'm not (completely) clueless and do understand about the problems heat can cause with reliability, et cetera.
Anyway, the painkillers are kicking in so I'm going to stop and go back to bed.
Since I've already broken my word by replying (I'm not arguing with that), I may as well dig myself a hole that's a little deeper.
If I've come across as hostile it's because of certain comments which I took personally. I've also had a bad cold for the last week so I may be in a bad mood already.
Firstly, the 4850 examples were in relation to the various comments in other posts about 4850/4870 temperatures and all I was trying to show was that there are cards that run at those levels with stock coolers. I was not making a direct comparison to the OP's 9800 GT.
Secondly, I am in no way saying that it wouldn't be better if it ran (a lot) cooler. I wouldn't dream of overclocking that card and its temperature may well shorten its life. I don't dispute for one moment that if he replaced the heatsink it would run cooler and that would be better overall.
Unfortunately, there quite a lot of information missing about what temperatures the card ran in the past, the voltages, make of card, full case layout, actual fan speed, what happens when the card gets really stressed out and so on.
I still think that the card is just on the edge of running okay and its performance is indicative of a budget card/cooler in a less than optimal situation.
If there was more info, say, it going higher than the mid nineties under maximum stress then I would agree that the cooler should be re-seated or replaced.
However, I got the impression that the OP's main concern was if serious problems were going to develop at those temperatures and given that the card is really pretty old already I honestly don't think it's worth worrying about. I didn't want him to panic, waste money or to try and modify hardware if he hadn't done it before.
Personally, I often run the cheapest reference design card, don't overclock it and often change it when the warranty runs out, if necessary, so that may be why higher temperatures don't seem that unusual to me.
Anyway, I really didn't want this thread to become "epic" or to come across as an ass. I'm not (completely) clueless and do understand about the problems heat can cause with reliability, et cetera.
Anyway, the painkillers are kicking in so I'm going to stop and go back to bed.
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