My McLaren GT - Ownership Thread

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One year anniversary!


It has been a relatively quiet winter hence the massive lack of posting. Not much to report since October really. The car was serviced at the end of October at a cost of £1394. This is the "tock" service of the tick/tock rhythm, with the more minor service coming in at about half the cost. There's nothing particularly standing out to me as especially expensive from the itemised invoice given this is a main dealer service, more than 50% of the cost is labour. I did raise an eyebrow at the air filters costing significantly more than the engine oil but it is what it is I guess. They do give you a nice box of chocolates to soften the blow though ;) :D

Took it down to the Collecting Cars Donington meet in November and that pretty much wrapped up 2022 for me

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I've hardly used it since then in all honesty. It remained tucked away in the garage through to early Feb just waiting for the weather to clear up a bit and for the excuses to use it to come up again. The first run of the year was a run down to Millbrook where my car was used to sample audio for an upcoming video game, which was very interesting. I also took a day out from the madness to head to Caffeine and Machine.

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They were very careful plus I have full-car PPF so I wasn't worried about any damage!


Year One Review
I've posted honestly throughout the thread and hope to always present a balanced and unbiased view of the good and bad of ownership, so there shouldn't be anything new here. Looking back through the thread and thinking back through the year, there have been some really good bits and some bad bits. Overall, knowing what I know now, would I buy this exact car again? Absolutely I would, although I would probably not go about it in the exact same way. The start was bumpy and there have been little bits here and there but all is forgiven when put in context of how much I enjoy ownership. In a world of Instagram where the perception is that everyone earns more than you, has huge car collections and the free time to use them all it is really easy to forget just how special it feels to own even just one car like this in a lifetime, especially in my mid 30s where I have the health and opportunities to enjoy it to the fullest. I smile to myself every time I see it, even if I'm just popping into the garage to grab something or walking back to it at a petrol station.

I've covered well in excess of 10,000 miles since picking it up - I've driven it to France and back from Switzerland, toured around Ireland, taken it up to 200mph, been to events, car shows etc around the country and thoroughly enjoyed it all.

What has that cost? Aside from the servicing I mentioned above, I've replaced the rear tyres twice and the fronts once. The first set of rears met their end after a DriveLimits day on ~5k miles, the second set surprised me as they "only" lasted 8k miles and I don't think I've really abused them other than enjoying some spirited driving. In any case, I was looking for an excuse to ditch the MC-rated Pirelli P Zeros in favour of a tyre that works better more of the time in the UK climate. As an aside, I chose Continental SportContact 7 over Michelin Pilot Sport 4S as from the reviews they seem to be the superior tyre. I was very impressed with Continental SportContact 5s in the past in every department except insane wear rate, so if the 7 is improved in this regard as the reviewers claim then I expect to be seriously impressed. My initial feedback given the cold winter conditions is that they are immediately more grippy at every temperature I've seen yet. They are also quieter, or at least make a different noise which I perceive to be quieter. Given the Pirelli tyre has huge foam blocks glued inside, this was a real surprise to me and was noticeable within 100 yards of the tyre fitter. I'll feed back on how they are as time goes on and I have more data. The fitted cost for the set of 4 Contis was £1006. The pair of MC-rated Pirelli rears was around £650 which is very slightly more expensive than the Continentals.

Fuel... I've not tracked this precisely as, frankly, I don't really want to know! I can easily hit 35mpg on a long run, 37-38mpg if I stick the cruise on at 70mph indicated and there's no traffic. Nobody buys a McLaren for fuel economy reasons but it really matters quite a lot when you want to travel long distances in one go. For perspective, the difference between 27 and 37 mpg is about 100 miles extra between fuel stops, which is often the difference between stopping or not stopping at all! On the flip side, it can also hit less than 10mpg no problem when pressing on. This variability is actually somewhat annoying because it means as soon as you peel off the beaten track onto more interesting roads the range you thought you had just evaporates and a search for a petrol station often results. I think a reasoned estimate of my fuel spend would be in the ballpark of £5000. I've also topped up the oil, a little over a litre total which probably comes to about £40. Other than that and screenwash my personal bills have been zero.

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Insurance is one of the great mysteries of life and varies hugely from person to person and from car to car. This year, my renewal is £830.

I had the whole car PPFd which has definitely proven to be worth the money as it has some pock marks here and there which would probably have been colossal stone chips. The cost of that was about £2.5k which I think will pay for itself given my usage of the car!

Warranty claims? Yep. Three replacement panels, a fairly significant coolant leak, a drivers door strut, the front suspension "failed" according to the computer which was just a software update to fix, the front boot latch needed some adjustment so I could close it properly and it has an intermittent rattle from the rear which as I type this it is in McLaren for the 3rd (and hopefully last) time to be rectified.

Y1 total, circa £10k spent all-in excluding depreciation, or £1/mile. [NB: Depreciation is hard to judge and a guess at best - one for the end of the road when I look back and calculate TCO.] Honestly, I don't think I can put a value on how much I enjoy it so I don't feel like that is a particularly relevant number for me, just providing numbers for interested readers :)


Boring reality stuff out the way, what's it really like? Does it meet the requirements I set out to fulfil at the start?

Overall I think it is absolutely superb.

Speaking openly, it is probably better than I thought it would be in some ways and not quite as good in others. When I set out to buy a car, I wanted something that could cope with ~2 weeks of luggage for two, get me across continents comfortably and yet still be amazing fun when out for a drive in Wales or the Alps or wherever the road takes me. The 2 week luggage thing is the Achilles heel of most supercars, or at least it is when one of the two people wants to take a hairdryer, straighteners and who knows what else. The GT has a lot of luggage room - more than enough for a pair of cabin sized bags at the front and then even more storage at the rear. The rear space is a weird shape but also bigger than it looks, which means you can put way more back there than you think... However, it is mostly open to the cabin aside from a section right at the very back which is big enough to take one large or two smaller backpacks - so without adequate strapping it is probably going to hurt if you have to stop in a hurry. The practical reality is that a one week trip is totally fine (and would have been totally fine in a 720S...) but 2 weeks takes some planning and is maybe slightly more compromised than ideal but a compromise I am happy with. Certainly weighted against the alternative in something like a DB11, this is still the right call for my personal blend of wants but it isn't quite as good at accommodating luggage in the real world as I thought it would be.

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From a performance perspective it remains about where I thought it would be - more than fast enough, excellent chassis, steering is telepathic and the feedback is really great. I think it fair to say that when at the upper reaches of the performance envelope you can start to feel the GT-ness of the setup vs 720S. Not a criticism, not a bad thing but it isn't quite as on its toes as the "sportier" cars feel when really "on it". All relative of course, you couldn't make a Bentley do the things that this car does in sportiness terms and nor do I think the 720S would be quite as good as the GT long distance. That's about what I thought it was after my first ever drive and I still hold that view today with a lot more experience behind the wheel.

When I first got mine, I'd almost never see another one anywhere. At most big meets I would be the only GT there and there are hardly any owners on the owners club groups etc. That's starting to change a little bit as the market starts to understand the GT a bit more. I've noticed a couple out and about and started to even see others at shows and things. I was in NYC last week and one with an identical spec to mine drove past which is something I never thought I would see.

I'm looking forward to 2023 with the GT - plans include attending an F1 race in Europe, another European long drive adventure, a few UK-based road trips and more besides!

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In a world of Instagram where the perception is that everyone earns more than you, has huge car collections and the free time to use them all it is really easy to forget just how special it feels to own even just one car like this in a lifetime, especially in my mid 30s where I have the health and opportunities to enjoy it to the fullest.
I agree whole heartedly with this mindset. It is so easy to get carried away with "keeping up with the Jone's" but ultimately you know what fits you best better than anyone. Being young-ish(I'm 32 :p) is definitely a bonus, most people expect older blokes to be driving these "mid life crisis-mobiles".

I enjoyed reading your comments on luggage as this is such an overlooked area. I managed a long weekend in London with the wife in the NSX once and that took some tactical packing (110L boot) so when I saw the GT's boot(s) I thought that it was a pretty slick setup. I believe the new MC20 has a similar "double boot" set up. Agreed a DB11 would be better in this regard but probably not as fun, a DBS however...

Seems to me you have bought the right car and have enjoyed it immensely.
 
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I agree whole heartedly with this mindset. It is so easy to get carried away with "keeping up with the Jone's" but ultimately you know what fits you best better than anyone. Being young-ish(I'm 32 :p) is definitely a bonus, most people expect older blokes to be driving these "mid life crisis-mobiles".

I enjoyed reading your comments on luggage as this is such an overlooked area. I managed a long weekend in London with the wife in the NSX once and that took some tactical packing (110L boot) so when I saw the GT's boot(s) I thought that it was a pretty slick setup. I believe the new MC20 has a similar "double boot" set up. Agreed a DB11 would be better in this regard but probably not as fun, a DBS however...

Seems to me you have bought the right car and have enjoyed it immensely.


Discovered the weakness of the 600 LT this weekend, its frunk cannot fit two carry on's like the 458 frunk easily accommodates. Was not a major issue just meant had to have a soft bag in the bottom and carry on top of that, but trying to pack for a week or more could be difficult with 600 LT, though possible with with soft bags. 458 has a rather cavernous frunk and more room behind the seats.

MC20 is a lovely car, a real rare site on UK roads, I think once used market settles down the MC20 could be a good buy at 2-3yr old, I love the somewhat understated styling.
 
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In a world of Instagram where the perception is that everyone earns more than you, has huge car collections and the free time to use them all it is really easy to forget just how special it feels to own even just one car like this in a lifetime, especially in my mid 30s where I have the health and opportunities to enjoy it to the fullest. I smile to myself every time I see it, even if I'm just popping into the garage to grab something or walking back to it at a petrol station.

Absolutely 1001%

People think im mad for piling miles onto a v12 lambo, but I just dont care, the enjoyment from the car is just something else. Yes it handles like a whale, is wide, big, frumpy, but my god its just so enjoyable to be in.

Enjoy it in good health! You sure as hell wont get any stick from me for doing so :D
 
Absolutely 1001%

People think im mad for piling miles onto a v12 lambo, but I just dont care, the enjoyment from the car is just something else. Yes it handles like a whale, is wide, big, frumpy, but my god its just so enjoyable to be in.

Enjoy it in good health! You sure as hell wont get any stick from me for doing so :D

That is it, got 458 back and what do I do, take it for a good thrashing. :D
Gotta drive them and enjoy them! Its just cost me 8k, so it needs to be enjoyed and driven. :)
 
GT car doing GT things!

Took it up to Skye - I have to say, the road up to Portree from Fort William is incredible. Mile after mile of generally perfect road surfaces and great sight lines for making overtakes when you come across the odd car (though hardly any of them around really). Came back down through the Cairngorms but this was somewhat spoiled by very foggy/wet weather hindering both progress and sightseeing opportunities!

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Took the A68 home and then detoured via the awesome Stanhope road, calling in at the Crown Inn for some lunch - a really great petrolhead pub which almost always has something interesting parked up outside. I've been here twice recently, so I'm nicking a "pro" shot taken from another trip:

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Paid a visit to Holy Island and, as is the rules, I stopped for a pic in the middle of the causeway crossing :cool:

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Put the drone up as I was part of a group...

 
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I've been neglecting this thread quite a bit... time for a few updates!

Since my last post, I've had a few more adventures :) Most are not particularly of note beyond my own personal enjoyment however the famous McLaren "unreliability" has been notably absent - something that does appear to be a very very common theme amongst those who use their cars. Garage queens take note! :D

First of the notable drives was my attempt at the Land's End to Lowestoft challenge made famous by Jeremy Clarkson in a Jaguar XJ. I must admit to cheating ever so slightly in that I didn't do it on the exact date of the solstice (which was a Wednesday) for calendaring reasons, instead opting to do it on the Saturday night instead. This adds an additional 80s or so onto the night but I was pretty confident that wouldn't make any difference to me... I headed to Cornwall on the Friday, spent Saturday chilling out at St Michaels Mount before a nice dinner at the First and Last Inn - all highly recommended even if the island is closed on a Saturday...

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Heading into Land's End, the atmosphere was pretty buoyant. I wasn't alone doing the challenge and we all felt like it would be a tough but achievable challenge. Sunset was shaping up to be absolutely spectacular with some really nice fluffy clouds in the sky but sadly they all disappeared in the last few minutes, so no really really stunning sunset images for me. Maybe next time!

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As we headed off into the night the reality of the challenge started to creep in. There's a few possible routes you can take: Up the M5 to the M4 and across, diagonally along the A303 or (bizarrely) up via Birmingham. They all have similar ETAs, with the A303 probably being the more fun route and the M5/M4 route being the most boring. Unfortunately for us, the A303 was closed so up the M5 we went. This slightly elongates the route but in essence you need to maintain an average speed of about 67mph to complete the ~450 mile drive. Had we not realised the A303 was closed we'd have blown it before we even started! Fuel was also a concern - while most McLarens are stupendously good on fuel for what they are, that is if and only if you can keep the speed/acceleration to a minimum. As soon as the speeds creep up the fuel economy absolutely plummets with a difference of as much as 15mpg between a sensible cruising speed and one just slightly above that. My tank range is ~300 miles so even with a tailwind and being extremely ginger with the throttle there was no way I was going to make it without stopping at least once.

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We hit quite a bit of traffic on the A30 through some roadworks which cost us precious time very early on in the drive requiring some progress to be made which in turn meant we were consigned to needing an additional stop. The first stop came and was completed as planned, the second came after some calculations had us running out of fuel with a mile or so to go and thankfully we hit what turned out to be the very last open fuel station on our route! Time/distance calculations were being run pretty frequently vs our benchmark of the required average and honestly we needn't have been worried at any point once we were clear of the traffic. Driving the M25 at 3am was surprisingly busy but otherwise the roads were mostly ours and ours alone which does help maintain a steady average speed.


We made it comfortably!

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A few of the drivers got split along the way for various reasons but one decided to go via the Birmingham route and was only about 5 mins behind us but still in plenty of time to make the sunrise. The only car that didn't make it was a Tesla who was being extremely ambitious in a lot of ways, mainly the absolutely ludicrous speed they'd need to maintain in order to get their required 60+ mins of charging en route. They passed us somewhere along the M5 at an admirable rate of knots but were nowhere to be seen at the finish line. I did spot them the following day with some damage which implied an argument with a badger/fox/baby deer might have added to their struggles but honestly I think their attempt was doomed from the start.

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So in summary, the GT behaved beautifully and was a total joy to pilot cross-country. I was as fresh as you could reasonably expect following a 7 hour night drive at the end of a 20 hour day and if you'd asked me to drive back to Land's End I'd have gladly done so (although maybe with a few hours sleep first!).

Another adventure-filled post coming very soon! :)
 
Good to hear you’ve had reliability. Maybe it’s improving.


I personally think that maybe the whole situation was somewhat blown out of proportion, but at the same time I think it is fair to say dealers have really upped their game.
I've done 3000 miles in my used 600 LT so far, trouble free, yes its had warranty work but all work pre-booked and essentially stuff which has no impact on the driving pleasure:0
- Both door hinges replaced
- Under trays re-fitted / aligned
- AC re gas.


I asked the dealer if I could keep a hinge as a momento, they obliged and I am now thinking he whole door hinge cracking is blown out of proportion as the door hinge is not only huge its a real solid piece of metal, so even if it does micro fracture I simply cannot see it ever failing, so no doubt blown out of proportion, I am glad mine have been changed, but now I've got my old cracked one I feel that it was never actually an issue.

My car has some minor corrosion which I have opted to now have addressed yet, just to see if it gets worse or any more appears, have Mclaren will cover it as and when I want it sorting.

All in all, as a car to drive, its better than Ferrari, it has also cost me far less than the Ferrari so far in repairs (£0 - Warranty £4700 for two years) and the Mclaren extended warranty seems far better than the Ferrari Power Warranty which cost a little more.
With more Mclaren specialist as well now I'd be more confident in buying one but I am over the moon with my 600 LT, love it, cracking car and very rare and special bit of kit. :)


P.S. Martin looks like a great trip that, stunning photos. :)
 
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Awesome trip to do.

I think a sample of one is probably not a fair assessment. A crack in a metal part is a problem, it will keep growing, a crack is a crack, no micro. The fact they have had to change them and an AC regas is pretty incredible really. I've got nothing to cover on reliability reputation mind you, skurge of my life :p
 
Good to hear you’ve had reliability. Maybe it’s improving.

There is no doubt that McLaren cars have problems - but it is also equally true of Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche etc. The latter manufacturers are just MUCH better at keeping their owners from ranting about it in public. That and the McLaren brand hasn't got the same sort of history that Ferrari does - Ferrari cars of the past were absolutely horrific to run and so everyone is just sort of used to it. Nobody is ****posting across the internet tarnishing the entire brand about Ferrari DCT sensor issues, or PTU issues, or Porsche bore scoring, IMS, RMS etc. They are just part and parcel of the ownership proposition but for McLaren it is the end of the universe seemingly.

The reality is that cars that get used properly just don't have major problems. I've spoken to dozens of owners past and present who use their cars as intended and they all report relatively minor stuff - door hinges and window sensors/switches for sport series cars, accumulators for super series cars, the odd issue here and there outside of that but rarely if ever anything major. Cars that sit around unused as garage queens seem to have all sorts of problems, as do cars that have been remapped or otherwise fiddled with.

People who bother themselves to understand the cars, their capabilities and the reality of owning one end up buying a car that's more capable than the equivalent Ferrari/Lamborghini etc and at half the price (or less!)
 
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As we headed off into the night the reality of the challenge started to creep in. There's a few possible routes you can take: Up the M5 to the M4 and across, diagonally along the A303 or (bizarrely) up via Birmingham. They all have similar ETAs, with the A303 probably being the more fun route and the M5/M4 route being the most boring. Unfortunately for us, the A303 was closed so up the M5 we went. This slightly elongates the route but in essence you need to maintain an average speed of about 67mph to complete the ~450 mile drive. Had we not realised the A303 was closed we'd have blown it before we even started! Fuel was also a concern - while most McLarens are stupendously good on fuel for what they are, that is if and only if you can keep the speed/acceleration to a minimum. As soon as the speeds creep up the fuel economy absolutely plummets with a difference of as much as 15mpg between a sensible cruising speed and one just slightly above that. My tank range is ~300 miles so even with a tailwind and being extremely ginger with the throttle there was no way I was going to make it without stopping at least once.
did you have any dashcam footage - chasing the dawn like the clarkson video I just watched ?
partly interested to see what kind of image quality you get with what I imagine are good quality headlights + dashcam - capturing the moment.
have done several trips to french resorts finishing in the dark , stringing switchbacks/lacets together in the dark adds a je'ne sais quoi
 
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