My New Zealand Residency Journey

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Hello all, i thought i'd create a thread to document my residency application to New Zealand for those who may be interested.
I'll start with a little history, i met my wife in 2012 about 2 months after she arrived in UK from NZ on a working visa, we got on straight away and we have lived and worked together for 4 1/2 years now here in UK. Don't ask me how it works, but it does, we never, ever get bored of each others company!

Anyway, that's that. In december 2015, we travelled to my wife's home town in New Zealand and we got married there with her family present. We spent 5 weeks there and it was amazing so we returned home and decided that it would be nice to spend some more time over there, particularly as her parents aren't in the best of health (mother has an aneurism and father recently had a triple heart bypass). We decided to look at my visa options when we got home, at the same time, we booked flights to return to NZ again in January just gone for another holiday. This actually worked out perfect for us as it meant i could have my medical done whilst i was there as it worked out a lot cheaper in NZ than it does here, i'll explain more soon.

So, my choices for a visa were as follows...

Work, partner of a NZ citizen, this meant i could live and work in NZ without a job offer needed. this costs £225 + fees.

Residency, partner of a NZ citizen, this allowed 5 years with option of indefinite leave to remain, this one costs about £1200 all in.

Work visa, this was the cheapest iirc, but it required a firm offer of employment.

At first, we decided we would just go for the residency visa, i joined an expat forum for advice from fellow expats, we even attended a seminar held by an immigration NZ company, which was useful, but it was obviously geared for selling products, and for helping people to get their visa for a price. We decided we would go it alone anyway as we had been researching for a long time, we knew what evidence we required for our application etc. We also researched for my medical, for the medical, it was 4 parts, a chest x-ray, blood tests, urine tests and a general fitness exam by a doctor. To have this done in the UK, there are only 4 places certified, needless to say, it costs a small fortune. It works out about £600 - £750 for the full lot here, so as we were going to NZ in Jan this year, i looked at options over there, and found a medical centre in Auckland (Symond street), who completed the whole lot for $270 (about £140 in todays exchange rate). My medical came back fine, but i had to apply for my visa within 3 months. We had completed my enhanced disclosure (enhanced DBS) before we went to NZ, a basic one is not good enough, this cost £45 from https://www.acro.police.uk/Police_Certificates_Online.aspx.

So, anyway, we returned from NZ, all medicals and police checks completed, now it was time to look at the visa choices again, it was a choice between 2 of the 3 options above really, a residency, or work - partner of a NZ citizen, both had pro's and cons. In the end, we decided it would be best in the short term to go for the work visa which will last 2 years, and in the mean time, if things turn out well, i can go for the permanent one later on, if it doesn't work out, we haven't wasted over a grand on a visa, therefore, i still have full options to stay permanent if we want to.

I sent my visa application off to be processed, we set a rough date to go back to NZ so that we would arrive in NZ for the 1st December to spend a month off work with the family and then starting work in January, this would have been after a fortnight in Phuket beforehand. However, withn 2 weeks of my application, i received a letter through the post, opened it, and discovered i had been accepted for my visa, which was great news, but..... on closer inspection of my newly stickered passport, it said that the last date i could arrive in NZ was on 7th October 2017 (6 months after issue). We didn't consider this would happen, so it pretty much threw a spanner in the works on our plans.

We have spent the last 4/5 weeks re-planning our move now, and it's already been pretty hectic! First of all, we have re-set a date to move, we have decided that we will fly out of Manchester on 27th September to Bangkok, spend a week there, before our onward journey to New Zealand, where we will arrive on 6th October, a day before final entry!

We have PSS removals coming round today to quote us on moving our stuff, we have decided we will not be taking any large furniture (sofas and beds and fridge freezer etc) as at £5 / sq foot it would work out at about £400 for our sofa, and it isn't worth that much! we have researched the cost of replacing everything in NZ, and discovered taking your own electricals is a must. for example, our TV (LG 55UH850V) cost us £1149 in November last year, at the same time in NZ, it was $4444 (about £2400). Our heatpump dryer cost us £450, in NZ, they are close to a grand for a half decent one. Ultimately, we are hoping to pay no more than a £1k for moving the few bits we're taking, but i'll find that out very soon.

We have notified our employer of our last working date (23rd September), however, they knew last year that we would be going at the end of this year. We had planned on leaving work on about 11th November, so we will be short of 5 weeks wages in our budget, however, we are only taking a week in Bangkok rather than 2 in Phuket, so swings and roundabouts i guess! We have started to sell things around the house that we won't be taking, and have put proceeds in the savings bank so we don't touch it! We have decided that we will leave our current rental on 19th September, rather than pay a full months rent etc for 4 days of a month, so we'll be homeless for 4 days :D

We have one issue that is still worrying me though, our financed car, in September, we will be just short of 2 years into our 4 year agreement on our car, i got a quote to pay the finance off and in October, we will owe ~ £17k to pay the car off, however, we don't have a spare £17k, especially with a huge move like this lol. I would have loved to take the car with us and carry on paying the finance off, however, this isn't allowed naturally, so our only options are to sell the car (hopefully i can get enough to clear the finance - going off autotrader, prices seem to cove this), but the problem is, we need to use the car until 23rd September so that leaves us 4 days to get rid before we fly. The other option is to hand the car back to BMW and use our right to a voluntary termination of HP, this of course is the very last resort as i want to keep my ties with UK good and don't want to default on anything to ruin my credit score. (Any advice on this section would be most welcome)

Finally, our plans when we arrive in NZ...

We are lucky enough to be able to use my wifes parents house for as long as we need to when we get to NZ, and as we haven't decided where exactly we want to live yet (we've narrowed it down to three locations), this gives us time to plan once we arrive. Ideally, i will be looking for a part time job to stat, 3 days a week, so we can enjoy the country for a while. this will be followed by all of December off work as planned to spend time with the family for xmas, and we are looking at hiring a camper van again to go and explore south island as we never went there the previous 2 times. In January, we will either look at a full time job in one of the areas we are considering our future, or, my preferred choice would be to look at our own business, a cafe on the beach or something along those lines, looking on trademe.co.nz, we have seen a few businesses going for around $75k NZ, (£38-£40k) (Obviously we would do our research first before diving into this).

The three areas we are considering is Hibiscus coast (Whangaparaoa), this is where family lives, it would be nice to stay close to family, but prices of property there is extortionate! The cheapest house on the Hibiscus coast is currently around $650000 (£340k), and that gets you literally a caravan sized house without wheels! It's clearly the land that costs the money as houses are terrible here! Our next choice would be Tauranga / Mount Manganui / Papamoa, this is a lovely area and we spent time here on both occasions we were in NZ, property isn't quite as expensive here as it is in Auckland, but prices are rising, we could probably buy a house here for around $400 / $450k but again, the quality of housing at this price point would be poor. Finally, we have looked at Kerikeri / Paihia in the bay of islands, it's really nice up there too, about 3 hours north of Auckland (and 2 1/2 hours from the family). Property is similar in price to Tauranga / Mt Manganui. We could look at buying some land and self building, which i would love to do, but wouldn't have a clue where to start, mortgages are quite favourable for this in NZ and you can get grants and have less of a deposit to do this to. Something to consider.

Anyway, that's our progress so far, i'll update as and when i can so it's all documented, and i hope i can help others who are thinking about their visa options.

Thanks for reading (if you did lol)
 
Very long read for 7am in the morning. Interesting though as its something im looking into.

With the car, just sell it and rent a car for a week. Theres literally no reason to leave yourself so little time when you dont need to.
 
I am looking at all my options regarding my car. In all honesty, i f i knew i could get away with taking it to NZ without BMW knowing, i probably would, i guess it would get flagged on the paperwork that gets filled out for export though :(. To replace the car like for like over there will cost almost double what it cost me here. We looked at them in Jan, and a 2012 530D was $69k. (£36k)

I need a car to get to work until 23rd september. I will probably look at advertising it in august with a view to sell as close to then as possible. It wouldn't make financial sense to rent a car for more than a couple of weeks.
 
Woo another OCUK English man in NZ! Mags is going to go crazy!
Yeah I would sell the car and rent one closer to the time. You don't want to be stuck with it at the last second. No bus, uber etc. you could get?
When I moved from the UK 5 years ago (6 in December), I ended up throwing away stuff as it became too hard to sell it all at the last minute so get ahead now while you can.

Prices for houses here suck but once your on the ladder then you are golden. I know they are doing buy in's and get government grants down in Papamoa which may suit you guys more? More purpose built houses too. I have a couple of friends who are doing it and it looks awesome. Also Consider the drive to Auckland etc. if you are seeing family who are not in the best of health.

Car in NZ is easy. You could always get a new one on finance... Or Trademe do have some good bargains. Jap imports are pretty cheap two and are good condition.

Bet you guys are really excited to start the new adventure :)
 
Yea, there are a few OcUKers in NZ from what i can tell (OcUK NZ meet anyone lol).

How have you found it over there in the long run? What do you miss and not miss? stuff like this would be interesting to know.

I don't want to get any finance on a car until we have sorted a mortgage. My wife has a kiwisaver with about $15k on it, which will be a big help, and her parents have offered to help a little too. i believe in NZ, you can use equity on a parents house as part of a deposit too - which would help.

I won't have any trouble finding work over there, but i'm at that point in life now i would rather work for myself now than for someone else, we'll see what happens.
 
Interesting read. Especially having been through it myself about 3.5 years ago. Mine (residency application) was really straight forward and not much to write home about. Immigration NZ, in my experience, is very good and quite relaxed about things. Throughout the application our visa case officer was actually rooting for us. Or at least she made it sound that way.

I'd be careful reading expat forums. I remember sitting at Heathrow airport, about to board my first of two flights that would take me to NZ reading such a forum and getting the feeling I made a dreadful mistake. Didn't read much good into it. But that could've been some of my unacknowledged reservations about the whole move.

It's handy that you have a place to go to once you get here. Saves the dramas with trying to find a house or rental from the other side of the planet. I'd probably look at renting first. Will give you a better idea of the rhythms and motions of the place without immediately tying yourself to an area with a mortgage. Chances are you might end up moving. Especially if you're not certain where you're going to yet. And yes, house prices suck in the major cities right now. Apart from Christchurch where there's some sense coming back into the market. Then again, ChCh suck so maybe there's a correlation :D

I'd also sell what you can. TradeMe is going to be your friend in the first few months here. Amazing bargains to be had and you can style out an entire place for very little. Although no point skimping on the TV. Throw the full force of your financial might at that ;). But do be careful checking prices. Places like Harvey Norman, Noel Leeming and Smith City are forever having sales. You may have checked the LG once and it didn't have a sale on that week. I bought my TV for $2000 last boxing day, down from $4500 if I recall correctly. You just gotta keep an eye out for specials.

Good luck with the move. Time goes by so quick. I've been here 3.5 years now and it certainly don't feel that long ago I myself was sitting in your position.
 
I'm keen! Woo NZ meet.
Totally agree with Regulus on this, having a place to stay when you get here is soo good. Less drama.

I didn't really read the old expat forums when coming here. I had my dad spill the beans on everything which was good. You get to ask the right and wrong questions without all the flaming. Worth talking to the missus or her family for anything that may bug you.

I do miss the UK. All my family are there and it gets tough sometimes but FaceTime, Skype takes that all away. Not like the old days!
Money here doesn't go far in a restaurant but you can enjoy everything for nothing, if you think about it. Everyone here can be really friendly with the laid back attitude. Weather is varied but good. There are a few English food shops around that I tend to frequent for a binge on real milkybars and none of this NZ stuff. Also, stay away from Orange Fanta here... Its not the same so don't bother. Seriously I mean it.

Trademe is excellent for bargains. Seriously its good.
 
Yea, there are a few OcUKers in NZ from what i can tell (OcUK NZ meet anyone lol).

How have you found it over there in the long run? What do you miss and not miss? stuff like this would be interesting to know.

I don't want to get any finance on a car until we have sorted a mortgage. My wife has a kiwisaver with about $15k on it, which will be a big help, and her parents have offered to help a little too. i believe in NZ, you can use equity on a parents house as part of a deposit too - which would help.

I won't have any trouble finding work over there, but i'm at that point in life now i would rather work for myself now than for someone else, we'll see what happens.

You won't have trouble finding work around the Auckland area. Auckland is like a Wonderland right now with the amount of vacancies flying around there. Especially in Construction and Infrastructure.

For me the move has been mostly positive. Had a bit of a '3 year itch' at the start of the year but that was due to a large upheaval in personal circumstances. New job, new city, new place, new everything. At the time I thought that if I'm going to be uprooting myself, I might as well head back to the UK for a year and take a contract there to see if the place is what I remember it to be. I kinda felt like I've dug down into NZ life and gained a good understanding how people here operate. Now everything is just a repeat of itself every year. We go away pretty much every single weekend but it's only the scenery that change, the mood is still the same. In the UK every city had its own rhythm and sense of self. I don't know, it's kinda hard to explain.

One thing a lot of expats moan about, but I've yet to experience myself, is that Kiwis tend to keep to themselves and don't let 'new' people into their social circles. I've experienced directly the opposite. I've made heaps of Kiwi mates. Didn't even have to go looking for them, the buggers just keep inviting me for golf, to rugby games, BBQs and events. But curiously so, it's mostly older people. As if 40+ year olds (that's 'old' to me from where I'm sitting :P). Not made many acquaintances of people my own age or younger, but I suppose I've never gone looking for it or thought much about it.

But yep, certainly more positives than negatives.
 
Congrats... Just got my residency at the end of last year. If you venture to Wanaka, you'll need to come find my food truck.
 
When we came to NZ earlier this year, it was more to sample 'living' rather than a holiday, we went shopping at countdown and pak n save, visited BMW in Takapuna, harvey norman, Noel Leeming etc to check prices etc. I know about the sales, especially the boxing day sales, they are actually amazing! I was there for xmas 2015 and there were real bargains on boxing day, not like in the UK where they'll knock £20 off a telly for boxing day. I can't wait for it this year haha. As my wife is a kiwi, we've got a circle of friends over there already which is useful, again, they are mostly on the peninsula near family, which makes Hibiscus coast more ideal still.
I've always remained level headed with this move and i've got a fair idea what i should expect, what kind of areas to avoid etc. I know there is a pretty active gang culture in certain cities and towns, particularly up north (Ahipara, Kaitaia etc), we experienced them first hand on 90 mile beach near Ahipara, though they kept to themselves when we saw them. I do know what you mean about the expat forums, there are a lot of negative people who regret everything but i'm not easily distracted. the only thing that worries me is being stuck with a huge mortgage on a poor quality NZ house. I reeally need to look into self builds. I'm currently watching Grand designs NZ new series over here :D

Macca, that's also something i've considered, a food truck down by the beach on the peninsula. I'd be interested in hearing more about that.
 
Not any of the three choices I would have guessed (and I somehow missed in your post even though I see it took up a whole paragraph - whoops). Some very quick observations:

  • Cafe on a beach is basically what NZ offers everywhere. Do some proper research into this if this is going to provide your income.
  • House prices - or more accurately and as you already stated, cost of land - is bonkers right now. Interest rates are also expected to gently rise to mid/high 5% depending on who you believe. Terms, LVR etc all play a huge part of course.
  • Don't get hung up on cost of specifically electronics (you listed your TV's model number ?!) and European cars. Neither are particularly cheap here although it's not a big deal in the scheme of things.
  • Expat forums - I never read them and don't care for them on principal.
  • Having family and friends here on your other half's side is a massive difference. Do not underestimate how much easier this makes your first couple of weeks and months.
  • regulus already touched on it but if you're considering a self build or anything which will require ANY kind of support from tradies then adjust your expectations about how quickly this will happen. Christchurch is still a mess and will be for another 3 or 4 years and all the construction going on in Auckland is such that demand and supply aren't on favourable speaking terms. In short, if you need tradies you'll pay through the nose or you'll wait.
 
Expat forums are generally populated by miserable expat wives stuck at home hating on everything because they don't want to go outside and make an effort to integrate....and the rest are the usual arrogant know-it-all's that know far better how to run their new host country than any of the natives.

Useful for finding the odd tip but I generall avoid them.
 
Not any of the three choices I would have guessed (and I somehow missed in your post even though I see it took up a whole paragraph - whoops). Some very quick observations:

  • Cafe on a beach is basically what NZ offers everywhere. Do some proper research into this if this is going to provide your income. It's not set in stone, though a possibility, i would, and have been researching. i'm a catering professional but don't want to spend my life working 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.
  • House prices - or more accurately and as you already stated, cost of land - is bonkers right now. Interest rates are also expected to gently rise to mid/high 5% depending on who you believe. Terms, LVR etc all play a huge part of course. As i say, this is the obly downside of the move, though, if i go to Tauranga / Paihia, it could be a good investment as prices in AKL keep rising, people will move outside, pushing prices of these 2 nice towns up.
  • Don't get hung up on cost of specifically electronics (you listed your TV's model number ?!) and European cars. Neither are particularly cheap here although it's not a big deal in the scheme of things. It is just a direct comparison to what i already have, it'll cost maybe £15 to ship my tv over, having just looked at Harvey Norman site, my tv is still $3299, it wouldn't make sense for me to sell my tv, then buy another over there. I don't like buying cheap crap, i guess i'd have to change my attitude over there but we'll see.
  • Expat forums - I never read them and don't care for them on principal. [no comment on this[/b]
  • Having family and friends here on your other half's side is a massive difference. Do not underestimate how much easier this makes your first couple of weeks and months.I haven't, i know how lucky we are to have this support in place, and it will make things so much easier for us, i've already set up a bank account at their address, just need to get my IRS number as soon as i get there.
  • regulus already touched on it but if you're considering a self build or anything which will require ANY kind of support from tradies then adjust your expectations about how quickly this will happen. Christchurch is still a mess and will be for another 3 or 4 years and all the construction going on in Auckland is such that demand and supply aren't on favourable speaking terms. In short, if you need tradies you'll pay through the nose or you'll wait.good to know.
 
Just a quick update, we got our quote to move some of our stuff over to NZ, we are leaving quite a lot here but taking the most important stuff / stuff that costs a lot to replace and leaving stuff like the sofa and large items like beds as they cost almost £6 per cubic foot, therefore, our sofas would have been about £400 to move, and they aren't worth that much!
Anyway, we were quoted £973 for 165 cu ft, plus insurance at 3% of the overall value, so around £1150 all in. Not too bad.

I've started looking in to filling my P85 form in which means we'll get a nice tax rebate some time in October, we reckon around £2500 between us both but we'll see!

I've decided i'm going to advertise my car this weekend but for a price i want, and in the middle of the ball park figures that they sell for, i'm in no immediate rush to sell, but if it goes for what i ask (or close to) then i'll sell. For the record, the cheapest one on autotrader with similar miles and age is £17k, then they go up to around £19/£20k for the over optimistic sellers lol, i', going to advertise for £17950 i think and see what happens.
 
You're moving to the other side of the world. With respect, a couple of grand here or there on a TV, your car, and a refund are hardly material concerns for what you're doing. These things don't actually matter.
 
Thanks for sharing, I've only been once on holiday (South Island) and it was fantastic. Look forward to the day I can go back and moving over would be awesome.
 
Best of luck, but intending to arrive with one day to spare seems a little foolish to me. What if you get ill? What if there's a strike? What if the plane gets diverted? What if...? Are you sure you shouldn't aim to be there with a month's leeway?
 
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