My own 3770K vs. R7 1700 games comparisons

Lokken86 · 13 Mar 2017 at 20:45

AthlonXP1800 said:
Interesting results but you missed 1 thing. You forget to take notes of temps!

I want you to included temps so we can see how both 3770K and Ryzen 7 1700 doing with temps at stock and OC.

What cooler do you use?

I could think of try OC my 3770K first time soon after read all delid tools reviews then I can have first experience with 3770K then months later maybe I could do same with 7700K to get lower temps if I find 7700K stock die paste temp too high.

I benchmarked Rise of Tomb Raider with stock 3770K, 16GB DDR3 and GTX 1070 and got overall score of 71.21 fps.

And power consumption

. Ivybridge runs hot as hell there's no doubt Ryzen 1700 will be an improvement there.

Give it a year or two OP and Ryzen will be smoking the 3770k in games too. Right now its 'good enough'.
Interestingly it seems to have much better single thread performance than Ivybridge clock for clock.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 Mar 2017 at 20:51

Lokken86 said:
And power consumption . Ivybridge runs hot as hell there's no doubt Ryzen 1700 will be an improvement there.

Give it a year or two OP and Ryzen will be smoking the 3770k in games too. Right now its 'good enough'.
Interestingly it seems to have much better single thread performance than Ivybridge clock for clock.

You might need to be careful going by the results in the OP,especially if the benchmarks are GPU limited.

Edit!!

For example games like The Witcher 3 can be GPU limited in many parts even with a GTX1080 on an IB Core i7 running at stock clockspeeds - when I overclocked the GTX1080 I had by around 10% I was getting a 10% improvement in framerates.

muon · 13 Mar 2017 at 21:13

I can't tell if those results are gpu bound or they are genuinely near identical performance.

Assuming the latter that puts gaming IPC about 20% better than Ivybridge. Problem is that games don't scale very well in terms of CPU clockspeed or real ipc gains.

Was the 1700 tested with SMT off? Windows currently treats logical cores as physical cores.

Lokken86 · 13 Mar 2017 at 21:17

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
You might need to be careful going by the results in the OP,especially if the benchmarks are GPU limited.

Edit!!

For example games like The Witcher 3 can be GPU limited in many parts even with a GTX1080 on an IB Core i7 running at stock clockspeeds - when I overclocked the GTX1080 I had by around 10% I was getting a 10% improvement in framerates.

Yeah never thought about that.

OP can you compare some of the cpu loads for us? That would be really helpful.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 13 Mar 2017 at 21:22

Lokken86 said:
Yeah never thought about that.

OP can you compare some of the cpu loads for us? That would be really helpful.

Well it does show even with an overclocked GTX1070 which is nipping on the heals of a stock GTX1080,Ryzen is enough - it really only falls down in certain games based on older engines,but then you could argue a cheaper Core i3 7350K or a Core i5 7600K would be better for such games anyway,if that is mostly what you play. It would not surprise me if those KL CPUs would beat a Core i7 6900K in those games too!!

Lokken86 · 13 Mar 2017 at 21:28

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Well it does show even with an overclocked GTX1070 which is nipping on the heals of a stock GTX1080,Ryzen is enough

Yup that's what I'm saying. Ryzen is good enough for today but in theory should be great in the future. Probably surpassing just about any of Intel's current lineup.

NoobCannon · 13 Mar 2017 at 22:39

Good to see the 3770k still going strong.

Havent seen the need to upgrade from my 4.7ghz example yet, altho it got close in bf1 as i was cpu limited untill they fixed it.

steve258 · 14 Mar 2017 at 02:35

Chrisc said:
Awesome thanks, before i have a play around with it, is there an option to disable the boost, like you had with the old FX processors? or if i change the multiplier to read 3.6ghz will it just sit at that frequency?

Yes it's possible, although the whole point of offset voltage is so that the additional voltage is only applied when CPU is under boost. On this board though the offset voltage acts pretty much like fixed voltage. It's always good to disable power saving and core boost features when ocing so the clock stays the same at all time. Just go in to advanced CPU menu and disable cool and quiet and C6 features.

AthlonXP1800 said:
Interesting results but you missed 1 thing. You forget to take notes of temps!

I want you to included temps so we can see how both 3770K and Ryzen 7 1700 doing with temps at stock and OC.

What cooler do you use?

I could think of try OC my 3770K first time soon after read all delid tools reviews then I can have first experience with 3770K then months later maybe I could do same with 7700K to get lower temps if I find 7700K stock die paste temp too high.

I benchmarked Rise of Tomb Raider with stock 3770K, 16GB DDR3 and GTX 1070 and got overall score of 71.21 fps.

Sorry it was meant to be a quick test before swaping so didn't properly measure temp and such. My 3770K ran HOT so had to delid mine (with a good ol razor blade, no such luxury as delid tool back then

) and even then I had to get rid of the IHS all together. With a little bit of ghetto mod I managed to do a direct core contact with my Megahalems cooler and that kept the temp in check at 4.7ghz, topping out 80-85c 1.32v during prime stress test.

My 1700 is still on stock cooler so not really a fair comparison of temp. Prolimatech customer support is absolutely useless. Not a single word from them regarding the AM4 conversion kit despite multiple attempts to contact

steve258 · 14 Mar 2017 at 03:01

muon said:
I can't tell if those results are gpu bound or they are genuinely near identical performance.

Assuming the latter that puts gaming IPC about 20% better than Ivybridge. Problem is that games don't scale very well in terms of CPU clockspeed or real ipc gains.

Was the 1700 tested with SMT off? Windows currently treats logical cores as physical cores.

Most likely GPU limited more than other. Like I said earlier I realise that with more powerful GPU the gap will widen surely. These tests are done with SMT on

Lokken86 said:
OP can you compare some of the cpu loads for us? That would be really helpful.

Sorry the 3770K system has been dismantled

Chrisc · 14 Mar 2017 at 11:40

steve258 said:
Yes it's possible, although the whole point of offset voltage is so that the additional voltage is only applied when CPU is under boost. On this board though the offset voltage acts pretty much like fixed voltage. It's always good to disable power saving and core boost features when ocing so the clock stays the same at all time. Just go in to advanced CPU menu and disable cool and quiet and C6 features.

Sorry it was meant to be a quick test before swaping so didn't properly measure temp and such. My 3770K ran HOT so had to delid mine (with a good ol razor blade, no such luxury as delid tool back then ) and even then I had to get rid of the IHS all together. With a little bit of ghetto mod I managed to do a direct core contact with my Megahalems cooler and that kept the temp in check at 4.7ghz, topping out 80-85c 1.32v during prime stress test.

My 1700 is still on stock cooler so not really a fair comparison of temp. Prolimatech customer support is absolutely useless. Not a single word from them regarding the AM4 conversion kit despite multiple attempts to contact

Awesome, cheers mate

steve258 · 14 Mar 2017 at 12:27

Updated OP with SMT off results for all games

Cyber-Mav · 14 Mar 2017 at 15:38

so the op did a sidegrade?

ubersonic · 14 Mar 2017 at 15:51

Cyber-Mav said:
so the op did a sidegrade?

Depends if that is how you would describe gaining buckets of performance in everything but gaming while retaining gaming performance and gaining loads of new hardware features.

Cyber-Mav · 14 Mar 2017 at 17:06

not a real upgrade then more of a sacrifice to gain in other areas.

jigger · 14 Mar 2017 at 17:10

Cyber-Mav said:
not a real upgrade then more of a sacrifice to gain in other areas.

No, the 3770k gets pretty well battered by the 8 core Ryzen.

andybird123 · 14 Mar 2017 at 17:39

http://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2835-amd-ryzen-r7-1700-smt-off-overclock-benchmarks

Similar testing - includes 1800x on the AMD side and all the usual suspects on the intel side - the 7700k actually looks like good value in comparison to AMD's latest offerings

muon · 14 Mar 2017 at 20:54

Cyber-Mav said:
not a real upgrade then more of a sacrifice to gain in other areas.

If you are buying solely for current gaming performance, then I agree that an 8 threaded SB/IB/HW at 4.5ghz+ is perfectly adequate for a 1070.

That equally makes SkyLake/KabyLake pointless upgrades for current gaming.

Cyber-Mav · 14 Mar 2017 at 21:19

When the next generation of gfx cards arrive maybe they will shift things back to cpu limitations and then ryzen will look worse? Too much hype with ryzen. No wonder they left the multipliers unlocked the cpus dont even clock that high.
Zen2 will be interesting though.

muon · 14 Mar 2017 at 21:39

Cyber-Mav said:
When the next generation of gfx cards arrive maybe they will shift things back to cpu limitations and then ryzen will look worse? Too much hype with ryzen. No wonder they left the multipliers unlocked the cpus dont even clock that high.
Zen2 will be interesting though.

Or better if games utilise 16 threads (since we are talking about the future). It is undeniable that the r7 1700 has more raw processing power than comparably priced Intel chips even with overclocking.

Brazo · 14 Mar 2017 at 21:53

I often hear the Ryzen crushes intel in heavily multithreaded apps yet (and perhaps I'm wrong) but I suspect the vast majority of people on here are primarily gamers or use apps like photoshop/Lightroom that are already ridiculously fast on a quad core processor.

Now I don't doubt for one second that some people will be editing videos etc and require more cores, well good luck to you, but productivity doesn't strike me as the primary focus of these forums.

I feel there is a huge love of AMD though and I for one am constantly surprised at how people have defended Ryzen, saying it will get better, or now happy to wait for Zen+, or making excuses for the issues that have plagued it since launch and having a total disregard for the overwhelming weight of professional reviews and benchmarks that offer 'alternative facts'.

Fact is I'd buy one tomorrow if I needed the cores but I don't. I don't actually even need the 'good enough' Ryzen gaming performance!