My Shiny New Internets

Kcom should not really take the credit for the speed. Karoo (as it's known) supply adsl in Hull to consumers. And it really is not very good.

The company I use are called Nextgenus (http://nextgenushull.co.uk/).

They only really operate in Hull, which is a blackspot for any sort of technology.

And when I say fibre delivered over wireless, I mean that I have a wireless antenna attached to the roof of my house. No cable involved. They use KC fibre which they distribute without using KC's copper (which is why the ISP shows KCOM).

They have a FUP of 5GB per day, after which they limit your speed. However I have gone over this with no slow down a few times. The FUP may put off some of the heavy downloaders (;)) but they are quite a small company.

When you take into account line rental required with an adsl connection (not required with this set up) it's excellent value compared to adsl. The speed is fantastic, epic upload speed as well, more than twice the speed of virgin 100mb. :D
 
m3csl2004 said:
Kcom should not really take the credit for the speed. Karoo (as it's known) supply adsl in Hull to consumers. And it really is not very good.

The company I use are called Nextgenus (http://nextgenushull.co.uk/).

They only really operate in Hull, which is a blackspot for any sort of technology.

And when I say fibre delivered over wireless, I mean that I have a wireless antenna attached to the roof of my house. No cable involved. They use KC fibre which they distribute without using KC's copper (which is why the ISP shows KCOM).

They have a FUP of 5GB per day, after which they limit your speed. However I have gone over this with no slow down a few times. The FUP may put off some of the heavy downloaders (;)) but they are quite a small company.

When you take into account line rental required with an adsl connection (not required with this set up) it's excellent value compared to adsl. The speed is fantastic, epic upload speed as well, more than twice the speed of virgin 100mb. :D
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5gb per day is a very small amount to say you have a 50meg connection, however I appreciate the lack of alternatives you have.
 
Good speeds, but damn that FUP is bad! Most would tear through that on a 50Mb connection :(

Does the FUP include uploads as well?
 
Steve_bullockuk said:
5gb per day is a very small amount to say you have a 50meg connection, however I appreciate the lack of alternatives you have.
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I agree, but all the adsl here is limited in normal hours (the high end packages offer uncapped overnight downloads), if you go over your allowance your charged at £3 per GB with the top karoo package allowing 150GB (+ uncapped overnight downloads).

This is definitely the best of a bad situiation. I have no wish to keep tabs on my familys usage to make sure we are not paying per GB.

Edit: No mention of uploads on FUP, and as I have mentioned, I have gone over a few times (by 15gb or so :D) and not been traffic shaped if you will.
 
m3csl2004 said:
I agree, but all the adsl here is limited in normal hours (the high end packages offer uncapped overnight downloads), if you go over your allowance your charged at £3 per GB with the top karoo package allowing 150GB (+ uncapped overnight downloads).

This is definitely the best of a bad situiation. I have no wish to keep tabs on my familys usage to make sure we are not paying per GB.
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They really have got you by the balls!
 
Nice connection!

Question, How do you connect to it ? Do they supply you with some kinda WAN WiFi Router? :D

Shame about the 5gb cap.

What are the pings like to BBC ect? (if you don't mind)
 
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They have a monopoly, the problem is Hull is not worth the effort it would require to most ISP's to get something done about it.

Hull is like the technology equivilent of the guy from 'Falling Down'

"Not financially viable".
 
cp88 said:
Nice connection!

Question, How do you connect to it ? Do they supply you with some kinda WAN WiFi Router? :D

Shame about the 5gb cap.
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I have a PoE adapter in the front room (that powers the antenna) which I connect to the WAN port on my cable router (a tp-link model from ocuk) with cat5.
 
m3csl2004 said:
Edit: No mention of uploads on FUP, and as I have mentioned, I have gone over a few times (by 15gb or so :D) and not been traffic shaped if you will.
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You will need to be careful though. The ISP will probably let it slide for awhile, but persistant over-usage will probably result in a letter or email being sent out.
 
Pretty good speeds, shame about the 5GB per day FUP - for £25 a month though I'd not be complaining, I'm stuck on 3Mbps ADSL! The NextGenUs Hull website has a load of misinformation on it regarding the technology used though, it's a little cringe-worthy if you know exactly what they are doing (The company I work for offer the same setup in the Newcastle area, however it's business only with no FUP and a bit more expensive than £25!).

If a WISP ever came to my area I'd jump over from ADSL in a heartbeat - 40/40 isn't hard to achieve even over several miles so as long as their backhaul can take it they are on to a winner speed wise.
 
arobertson676 said:
It's funny, because everybody hates BT. But from what I have heard, Karoo is much worse...

Is that true?
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If you have a BT line you have options. In Hull you have Karoo, or you go for one of a handful of companys like this. That is it.

It's not entirely their fault, as I have mentioned, it wouldn't be this way but for financial limitations.

and as for ping:

C:\Users\admin>ping bbc.co.uk

Pinging bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.241.131: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=243
Reply from 212.58.241.131: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=243
Reply from 212.58.241.131: bytes=32 time=13ms TTL=243
Reply from 212.58.241.131: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=243

Ping statistics for 212.58.241.131:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 10ms, Maximum = 13ms, Average = 10ms
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m3csl2004 said:
If you have a BT line you have options. In Hull you have Karoo, or you go for one of a handful of companys like this. That is it.

It's not entirely their fault, as I have mentioned, it wouldn't be this way but for financial limitations.

and as for ping:
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Any chance you could post a trace route to bbc.co.uk please? I'd be interested to see how they have their CPE's and AP's set up (you can tell if they are using bridged or routed mode by a trace route, I hope to god it's routed...)
 
C:\Users\admin>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * 1 ms <1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 1 ms <1 ms 1 ms 192.168.5.1
3 2 ms 5 ms 3 ms nguhull.localdomain [192.168.243.254]
4 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms 87.102.100.137
5 4 ms 5 ms 3 ms 10.110.1.109
6 10 ms 9 ms 8 ms 10.55.0.117
7 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms rt-lonap-a.thdo.bbc.co.uk [193.203.5.90]
8 11 ms 10 ms 12 ms 212.58.238.129
9 12 ms 10 ms 10 ms virtual-vip-231.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.241.131]


Trace complete.

C:\Users\admin>
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I went to see a demo of Nextgenus FiWi in the Princes Quay shopping centre in Hull, I was pretty impressed, 27mb/s connection speeds down and 12mb/s upload speed. I have been with Karoo since the beginning over 9 years ago, I've got the sales team calling me next week to setup an install date.
 
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