NASCAR 2013 Sprint Cup season (other series discussion welcome!)

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I've been weighing up whether or not I could be bothered making a thread for the 2013 NASCAR season. Two reasons:


  1. Dodge are gone from the Cup, a hole that only Jeff Gordon winning the title will fill for me :D
  2. I'm utterly fed up with motorsport fandom. All of it, NASCAR, F1, touring cars, the whole shebang. Ever taken a step back and looked at just how petty and small-minded most of it is? It's getting like football. Not a pretty sight!

However, despite the loss of Dodge I'm actually quite looking forward to this Cup season. Chief reason for this is the Gen-6 car, the first new NASCAR Cup stocker since the introduction of the Car of Tomorrow in 2007. No longer will the cars be generic shapes with decals slapped on them - now they actually do resemble their respective road cars. There's been a bit more work on safety as well, with larger roof flaps to try and stop the cars getting airborne in a crash, and stronger roll cages for the times when the laws of physics won't be denied. The cars are also lighter - 160lbs has been taken off. 100 from the right-hand side, 60 from the left - the cars tend to run asymmetrical setups even on the road courses, and of course the driver is towards the left side of the car anyway. The manufacturers are now building all the body parts (with the exception of the carbon fibre bootlid) which if nothing else ought to put to rest any bitching about Chad Knaus developing illegal body designs for Jimmie Johnson's #48....


Team and driver changes for 2013

I suppose the first obvious change is Penske. The reigning champions are now running Fords, having set the wheels in motion to dump Dodge before winning the title last season with them. Hey ho. Brad Keselowski will go into this season hungry for further success, but I wonder just how easy he'll find defending his title. Joey Logano is his new team mate, replacing Sam Hornish Jr (who himself had replaced AJ Allmendinger partway through last season after he'd tested positive for a banned substance).

Logano's old ride at Joe Gibbs racing now belongs to Matt Kenseth, who has left Roush Fenway Racing. Ricky Stenhouse Jr graduates from the Nationwide Series to drive for RFR. Regan Smith will drive for Phoenix Racing in the Daytona 500, but won't be running the full schedule for them AFAIK and will instead run the Nationwide Series with JR Motorsports. And Landon Cassill has left BK Racing over a payment dispute, David Reutimann will drive the full schedule in the #83.

The Schedule

Not much has changed from last season, save the Kansas and Talladega Chase dates returning to their previous positions. The old Bud Shootout (the invitational race that kicks off the start of the Cup season) has been renamed the Sprint Unlimited. The field for the race returns to the eligibility rules in place from 2002-08 - pole winners from last season, plus any previous winners of the event who didn't otherwise get in and who qualified for at least one race in 2012. The race will run in three segments, totalling 75 laps. How that will be broken down is the subject of a fan vote, which will be decided next week. The Gatorade Duels have also been renamed, as they're now sponsored by Budweiser.

Rule changes

Qualifying has seen a bit of a shake-up (though the Daytona 500 remains the traditional brain-****!). The Top 35 rule, that guaranteed the top 35 in owners points a start in the race, is no more. Now the first 36 grid positions are set by qualifying times. Positions 37 to 42 are set by provisionals, based on owners points. The 43rd spot goes to any former champion who didn't otherwise qualify, or the next available team in owners points. Instead of using last years owners points for 5 races, they'll now be used for 3. And the qualifying order is now based on random draw, rather than reversing the finishing order from the first practice session.

Tech inspection has changed a bit - laser scans will be taken of each car to ensure that the bodywork conforms. The system was trialled at a few of the testing sessions, seems like all should be well with it.

Finally, the prize money distribution has altered slightly. In a bid to discourage teams from 'starting and parking', less money will be given to finishers in positions 39-43. The 39th finisher will get $4000 less than the 38th, the 40th $4000 less than 39th and so on. The money that would otherwise have gone to those finishers will be redistributed through the rest of the field. Just means there's a bit more incentive to run on and get your car further up the order, and a bit less incentive to park up after ten laps, blame a 'mysterious vibration' and trouser a load of cash from the race promoter!

Predictions

No idea. Honestly, with the new car coming in this one really is up in the air for me. I'd like to see a Hendrick car win it, no question. I like all four of their drivers. Frankly, I'll be satisfied as long as it's not a Toyota driver.

Or the Braindead Moron™.




Or either Busch brother.
 
I think your second point is probably being based on this forum, or internet fans in general, which is an unfair representation of motor sport fans. In real life motor fans are nothing like football, its far more civil and even between highly competitive fans its never aggressive or petty. You never hear of fights or assaults over who won a race, do you.

Fights and punch-ups, no. But there's an awful lot of negativity surrounding NASCAR these days, and for the life of me I can't work out exactly what has brought it on. NASCAR (the governing body) has been making stupid decisions ever since it was born, so nothing they've been retarded about lately can have caused it. But if it's not people having quite vicious arguments about Dale Earnhardt Jr's worthiness as a NASCAR driver and as offspring of his late, great father, then it's the rampant misogyny all set against Danica Patrick. Or what's becoming full-blown racism about Juan Montoya. Or (and this is hardly new, but was irritating from moment one) the incessant whining about the #48 team cheating.

If you can separate the joy you get from following motor sport from the internet fan culture then you will be fine. Don't let one ruin the other for you.

I'm not. I'm simply withdrawing myself (mostly) from that internet-based fan culture and just watching the racing :) Well, watching the NASCAR at any rate. Still not decided just how many of the F1 races this season I can be bothered to watch live, and have long since given up on the BTCC!

As for NASCAR, I tried to follow the Nationwide series last year, but the rubbish coverage plus some really dull races meant I lost interest abouts halfway through. I might try again. Is the trucks series still not shown on TV over here?

Sadly, the Truck series still doesn't have a broadcaster over here. And FWIW, I agree with you that the Nationwide Series last year featured some truly dire races. I didn't bother with the UK coverage of it, so I don't know exactly how rubbish that was.

So it's between Stenhouse and Patrick for Cup ROTY. I think Ricky has this tied up, barring some unusual incidents.

Yep, that's my thinking.

Speaking of Nationwide, Piquet Jr is with Turner for the full season now, so he's probably a lock for the win on the road courses.

To be fair, he's won at Michigan and Vegas in the Trucks - he knows how to win on an oval :)

Here's the new cars in all their glory.

First up - Ford. Brad Keselowski's new mount for his title defence. Going to be a couple of paintjob tweaks to this one for the season, but it's mostly all there.

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Next - Chevy. Jimmie Johnson's Lowes #48. Again, couple of tweaks to come.

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And bringing up the rear - Toyota. The #15. Hopefully we don't see the Toyotas up front too much this season :p

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It's so gutting that we won't get to see the 2013 Charger race....it would have been great to see a Dodge in NASCAR that actually looked something like the production car it was based off again :(

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I'm not familiar with the NASCAR internet culture, but it sounds like its full of fools. I'm assuming the Danica hate is based on her crashing, which from what I saw, happened a lot.

See, if it was just about her making mistakes that would be one thing. But keyword there - her.

It reminds me of this xkcd strip:

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If she was just criticised about her driving (which has been pretty ragged on occasion, no question) then fine. But she's attacked because she's a female driver, and she's pretty, and because she won't simply get out of the way when one of the Big Boys™ wants that piece of racetrack.

I'd swear she's been crashed into more times than she's actually caused a crash. But you'd never know it if all you could base your opinion on was the myopic rantings of the NASCAR fanbase! :p

I think your missing a trick with BTCC. The racing is fantasticaly competitive.

It's a glorified demolition derby, even more so now than in years gone by. Only two manufacturers can be bothered to field works cars. They've still got S2000 cars going up against NGTC ones - why? What's the point? Set a formula, and stick to it!

The mid-'90s was it's heyday, we're unlikely to see that level of manufacturer involvement again while the series rules are set the way they are.

Its a shame you live miles away, or I'd get you down the pub for a pint to watch an F1 race :)

Yeah, that distance does make it tricky to enjoy a pint or three and then drive home!
 
(slight thread derailment)

We won't see anything like the 90's again because of the decline in the global economy. Manufacturers simply don't have the money to plow into motorsport. Its nothing to do with the regulations.

You and I have had this same discussion over manufacturer involvement in F1 engines. It is absolutely down to the regulations that they don't bother with it - not enough return on investment! :)

And as for the rules, there has been no S2000 engines since 2011, all cars ran NGTC engines last year. And there were only a few S2000 chassis left, which are now gone. 2013 will be a full NGTC only grid.

Two S2000 chassis remaining according to the entry list I've seen. Though now they've let the NGTC cars run higher boost anyway, so expect those two S2000 cars to tool around hopelessly off the pace and getting in the way of everyone!
 
The very first Truck Series 'Mudsummer Classic' is being held in July this year. And yes, that's not a typo - Mudsummer. The race is being held at Eldrora Speedway, and Eldora Speedway is a dirt track :)

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It'll be the first NASCAR national series race on dirt since the 1970 season. Nice to see the sport regress back to its roots once in a while! All 17,700 grandstand tickets have sold, with a couple of hundred general admission tickets remaining they should get a crowd of about 20,000 in to watch. Not bad for a track in Rossburg, Ohio - population 201....
 
So it will be the tarmac oval trucks with nobbly tyres!

This is going to be great! How can I watch Trucks over here?

Wait for someone to upload it to youtube :p

Yep. Or try and find a stream to watch live/wait until the torrented broadcast has been uploaded to RFM to watch after the fact.

A clip from pre-season testing. Here's how badly testing can go (6 mins in)....


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I look back at the immediately pre-CoT cars now and think 'Christ, those were ugly!' :D




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Sent you an e-mail Adam, re: RFM.
 
Kimi Raikkonen showing up again would get them some attention ;)

I'm not certain it would. He's not the kind of guy who would happily deal with the sponsor bull-**** that you have to deal with when you're a big name involved in a top-level motorsport series in the USA.

Lewis Hamilton on the other hand....that would get the sponsors and pundits wetting themselves with anticipation! He'd do the TV spot nonsense (and has done, those Mobil 1 adverts with Tony Stewart are brilliant :D) and he'd be quick in a stock car, no question. I almost hope he gets a bad Mercedes F1 car for a year or two to get him bored enough to try it!
 
Oh, I don't think it's likely to happen by any stretch. But it'd be fun to watch!

Narain was very good in the NASCAR races I saw him drive in. Anyone who can finish in 13th place and on the lead lap in their first event has done a good job, especially when coming from a Euro-centric open wheel racing background.
 
Entry list for the Unlimited has been updated - Terry Labonte is replacing Ken Schrader.

Here's the entry list for the Daytona 500. Seems to be fewer cars than in previous years - last year had 49 entries, and time was when over 50 guys might try and qualify, now there's only going to be two going home without racing unless NASCAR sneaks another few entries in.
 
Congrats to Kevin Harvick on on winning the Sprint Unlimited! That's his third victory in this race (he won back-to-back in '09 and '10). He did well to avoid the wreck in the opening segment, and his tactics in the final stages of the race were spot on.

Congrats also to the designers of these Gen-6 cars. I'm sure they were hoping that the safety of these designs wouldn't be tested too much, but I'm equally sure that they were gratified to see how well the cars stood up to that pile-up!
 
The schedule from here is as follows.

Thursday is the Duels - the two races that set the rest of the grid from Row 2 back. First one is at 2pm Eastern Time, the second at 3:30pm. They'll line up like this.

Friday night is the Truck Series opener - the Nextera Energy Resources 250. That's on at 8:30pm ET if you can catch a stream from anywhere.

Saturday is the Nationwide Series race, the Drive4COPD 300. 1pm ET.

And then Sunday, the Daytona 500. 1pm ET.
 
He has some talent, but his early career suffered by being rushed into Sprint Cup too soon. I'm not suggesting Joey will crash and burn like Sam Hornish did, just that he's not the next Brad Keselowski.

That I do agree with.

Truck race was good. They were all being so well behaved until lap 54....then they remembered it was the Truck series, and Brendan Gaughan decided to go for a piece of racetrack that someone else already owned. Results and race write-up here.
 
Hope everyone is OK.

I've not watched much NASCAR, are things penetrating the catch fences common?

Think the last time it happened was the Michigan race in 1998, at least in terms of spectators getting seriously hurt. JRS will no doubt correct me soon.

Extremely rare, even on the fast tracks. One of the things with the Gen-6 Cup car has been to improve the roof flap system that keeps the cars on the ground in crashes. But with the energy in that Kyle Larson crash, it's always going to be difficult. And his car was well on the way to breaking up when it left the ground anyway. A bad deal all around. Regan Smith is accepting the blame for the initial incident, he tried to block Brad Keselowski from getting around him. Final lap at Daytona :/

It looks like the catch fencing actually did reasonably well. The engine and front axle of the car never made it through. If it had, we'd be looking at several fatalities. According to SPEED channel's Twitter feed, it seems as though the two fans who were critically injured have been stabilised.
 
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