Near Miss, no so say CAA
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Celestial Caravan said:I saw this earlier today and studied the photo for a while and concluded that its a fake.
This is a very easy topic to fake due to the background. The shadows are very similar although I think I can detect a discepancy. The clincher for me is the sun light is much stronger on the JAL aircraft than on the DHL. I suspect that these aircraft were photographed in the same part of the circuit over east London, travelling south at the easternmost part of the circuit, with the sun to the west and behind the photographer. Two photos taken probably 10 to 15 minutes apart - no more - in the same part of the sky. The later photo, the one of the DHL aircraft being a little nearer to dusk, has light that is less harsh shining on the subject. After that, the simplest photochop job ever.
Either that or someone needed fresh shreddies
It is not fake.
Posted earlier in the thread: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/652327/L/
Its just the way they appear to us earthlings.
Soldato
Celestial Caravan said:I saw this earlier today and studied the photo for a while and concluded that its a fake.
This is a very easy topic to fake due to the background. The shadows are very similar although I think I can detect a discepancy. The clincher for me is the sun light is much stronger on the JAL aircraft than on the DHL. I suspect that these aircraft were photographed in the same part of the circuit over east London, travelling south at the easternmost part of the circuit, with the sun to the west and behind the photographer. Two photos taken probably 10 to 15 minutes apart - no more - in the same part of the sky. The later photo, the one of the DHL aircraft being a little nearer to dusk, has light that is less harsh shining on the subject. After that, the simplest photochop job ever.
Either that or someone needed fresh shreddies
It's not fake. Assuming the JAL plane is a 777-300 (which I think it is) then it's about 65ft longer than the A300 and its wingspan about 53ft wider - if they were really that close the 777 would dwarf the other plane. Yet, in the picture, the length of the wings looks almost the same because the A300 is much closer. It's just an optical illusion
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It is possible in this case to work out the seperation. Because the two planes are almost overlapping we can assume they are. This means we have two unknown distances. The distance from the photographer to the DHL plane and the distance from the photographer to the JAL plane. We have 3 known quantities, the length of each plane, based on their id up thread, and the ratio of their lengths in the photo.
From this someone not awake at 2.30am could establish the approximate distance between the 2 planes. Note it is not possible without further info to seperate that distance into its vertical and horizontal components
From this someone not awake at 2.30am could establish the approximate distance between the 2 planes. Note it is not possible without further info to seperate that distance into its vertical and horizontal components
Don
777-300 length - 73.86m
A300 length - 54.08m
Well, theres some figures for ya
A300 length - 54.08m
Well, theres some figures for ya
Celestial Caravan said:I saw this earlier today and studied the photo for a while and concluded that its a fake.
This is a very easy topic to fake due to the background. The shadows are very similar although I think I can detect a discepancy. The clincher for me is the sun light is much stronger on the JAL aircraft than on the DHL. I suspect that these aircraft were photographed in the same part of the circuit over east London, travelling south at the easternmost part of the circuit, with the sun to the west and behind the photographer. Two photos taken probably 10 to 15 minutes apart - no more - in the same part of the sky. The later photo, the one of the DHL aircraft being a little nearer to dusk, has light that is less harsh shining on the subject. After that, the simplest photochop job ever.
Either that or someone needed fresh shreddies
So someone magically photoshopped it into the skies above London for thousands of people to see?
It ain't fake it's just perception
Soldato
Heh, well we know their skin is orange... from all the fake 'Dale Winton' bronzing lotion!Werewolf said:no, but i suspect the easy girls do - after all orange is a warning colour
My money is on the fact that both a/c are holding in the LAM stack, over NE London. Separated by 1000' vertically.
On a similar note, you should see the departing aircraft from London City on the westerly runway climbing up to 3000' underneath a jumbo descending to 4000' going into Heathrow. Gives the same optical illusion.............
On a similar note, you should see the departing aircraft from London City on the westerly runway climbing up to 3000' underneath a jumbo descending to 4000' going into Heathrow. Gives the same optical illusion.............
I bet the passengers on the 744 get a good view of an RJ85 climbing straight out at them
These sort of optical illusions must occur on a daily basis, especially in that particular area. Eg. SS and GW departures on a DVR climb to min stack and route under LAM often appearing like they're going straight into the teeth of the holding traffic even though there is 1000ft.
These sort of optical illusions must occur on a daily basis, especially in that particular area. Eg. SS and GW departures on a DVR climb to min stack and route under LAM often appearing like they're going straight into the teeth of the holding traffic even though there is 1000ft.
Soldato
AcidHell2 said:
Heres the two planes in the first post, the first pic is the lower plane and is smaller but doesnt look massively smaller. Second plane is definetly a beast though
The 773 really is a beast. IIRC the engine is the same circumference as a 735 fuselage. I love them
BTW, just for the record, the radar recordings for this event showed a mimimum vertical separation of 1000 feet which is the standard minimum vertical separation hence there was no incident.
BTW, just for the record, the radar recordings for this event showed a mimimum vertical separation of 1000 feet which is the standard minimum vertical separation hence there was no incident.
Soldato
773 is a sister model ?
Soldato
lol I love the way some people automatically assume it's a photoshop whenever they see something unusual or that they can't explain.