NEC LCD20WGX2 review *** UPDATED 25/02/06 ***
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Nope. Maybe very faint, almost invisible trace in one of the corners, can't remember now, it was long agoATI said:
Anyhow, panel uniformity settled nicely after burn-in and it was perfect.Nope.ATI said:
Definitely not. Maybe it's your video card or monitor cable ?ATI said:
I really really hope that you are not unlucky
as I remember that you was on the edge so long for this monitor.http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7251564&postcount=1089David230 said:Just need to think about how I am going to clean the screen without scratching that nice glossy panel.
Hi ATI,ATI said:
Sorry to hear about your problems
If your old monitor is working just fine with the same video card and if you have picture shifts even in bios (during the post) and during the windows load ... I seriously suspect that monitor is faulty.About high pitched noise when the monitor is in standby ... well not quite sure about that one. Strange it is. I remember that few people posted here about this, for some of them it gone away, but generally it's not common issue definitely.
My advice is that you call the NEC @ 08701 201160 and tell them about your problems. I'm sure that they will be helpful. Maybe best option is that NEC swap the monitor for you.
Hopefully, things will settle down for you nicely.
You are unlucky, no doubtATI said:
I hope that Philips didn't have the picture shift also. 
Can't remember ... probably 4-5 days, maybe week. I just used the monitor, no special procedure was involvedATI said:
Maybe. Just came to my mind. When you connect your old LCD (which is working fine), are you using the same cable and port (VGA/DVI) ?ATI said:
Interestingly enough, my NEC is dead silent during normal working conditions and when in stand by mode. Generally, my room is very "noise friendly" ... no carpets, wooden blinds, wooden floor. In essence, nothing is there to absorb the noise - so I can hear even tiny source of it.David230 said:
Of course, when I press my ear against the back of the monitor ... there is slight buzz, like with any electrical device with integrated DC power transformer. Personally, I think that source of the noise in stand by mode (for the people who are experiencing this) is coming probably from the DC power transformer.
LOL. True. Sometimes even training doesn't help. Such LCD/CRT screen touching reflex (may I say obsession) is stronger then anything else. Shocking. BUT, as I purchased the laptop for my wife ... my room and my monitor are suddenly not interesting that muchOzzie Dave said:LOL, that reminded me of my wife who has this bad habit of pointing her fingers at the screen, sometimes touching it when showing her stuff on the old CRT.....I sure as hell trained her quicksmart not to do that with my new NEC
and that is always a good thing My NEC is in the safe zone again!
Looking good ATI, looking goodATI said:
I didn't have any doubts that you will be pleased with the monitor and I'm glad that you like it very much. It's amazing piece of hardware, without a single shadow of doubt. Even now ... after approx 7 months of usage, each time when I power on the NEC, it still brings the smile to my face No probsATI said:
Thank you for the quick report about the monitor. Many interesting points you have there
Yes, ATI owners reported this and it seems that it's related only with the particular models of ATI cardsATI said:
I don't have the faintest idea why is that. Anyhow, you may resolve this problem by attaching both DVI/VGA cables, as Ozzie Dave already mentioned in his post.NEC tends to generate maybe more than average heat (compared to other LCD monitors around). This is probably related to the fact that monitor is already drawing more power and DC power converter is integrated in the monitor itself. It's probably more pronounced if your room tends to be on the warm side.ATI said:
It's nothing to worry about, as long as the heat is properly extracted from the monitor. In other words, monitor cooling points are not obstructed somehow and monitor does have plenty of ambient air around.
It seems that bezel is loose so that it's slightly detached from the main frame. I'm not sure if you can put it back in place with one gentle "click" as again I'm not sure how the bezel is attached at all (does it have bracket or something else).tweakinfreak said:it's gradual 2mm in the middle then goes flat at either end toward the corner if you see what I mean
Anyhow, yes, calling the NEC for advice is your best bet now. If picture is not affected, I guess that it's nothing serious.
Who told you that it's not better than cheaper monitors? It's simply not true and additionally is misleading and that is probably even worst.rippling said:
ATM, 20WGX2 is great, if not ultimate, all around and well established 20"WS monitor and ultimate gaming panel as well and yes, picture quality IS better and yes it uses new technology. People should really stop talking crap. I'm not defendant here or biased. I just appreciate the relevant and reliable facts and that's pretty much all.
I've seen this monitor around for £360 - £370. Are you buying from OcUK ?
Silver only, I'm afraid. I guess that you can somehow remove the bezel, spray it with the paint and put back ... but that would void the warranty, that's for sureSithUK said:
LOLSithUK said:All my kit is black. I tape up any LEDs with black electrical insulating tape. Also any writing. I find it detracts from the picture on the screen... yes I know I need help
I do remember that someone mentioned that, but I don't remember if this issue is "resolvable", what's nature of this and if you should worry or notDCat said:- In certain modes there is a high-pitched noise coming from the monitor. I'll bet there's already on post on this but this thread is soooooooo long now
Maybe best option is to search this thread for high pitched noise keywords It's normal. Especially if you are coming from CRT grounds. I was equally shocked when I migrated to LCD TV from CRT TV, long ago. Fortunately, you don't watch the movies from close (TV) proximity and my advice would be the same for LCD monitors: step back when watching the moviesDCat said:
Also, particular LCD TV sets are slightly masking such effects, because of the picture processing engine dedicated for such task. All LCD panels, especially monitors, are exhibiting such effects. Some more, some less but nothing substantionally different. NEC does have probably slighty more noise, especially because it's exceptionally fast panel, but when watched from proper distance - noise is starting to fade away. In my opionion, other factors like exemplary PQ, colours, Advanced DV modes, high brightness are also important for the movie playback and there is no lack of such things with NEC Good.DCat said:
No, video card is not the cause. I'm not sure what type of movies are you playing, however you have to be aware that video source quality (especially encoding quality and bitrate for DivX) and software player itself can damage the video quality and LCD monitor can easily expose this. Additionaly, some good codecs are offering the noise removal filters. Latest Catalyst & Forceware drivers from ATI & Nvidia are also focusing more on video features and they are including the video de-blocking and noise removal filters ... so after proper tweaking you may have interesting results with LCD panels and possible improvement in playback quality.DCat said:
You may try to download WMV HD content and see how it goes:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/musicandvideo/hdvideo/contentshowcase.aspx
Also, you may try to play some uncompressed HD transport streams:
(HDTVpump is very nice DirectShow filter too):
http://www.dvbportal.de/projects/hdtvpump/index.html
Plenty of people bought this screen and had no problems. Reported problems in the threads are usually looking more dramatic simply because people will post more about them. Many people who didn't have problems didn't bothered to post about it. So in essence, when we are talking about the balance of working/faulty scenario and when you combine the numbers of units sold by OcUK, I think that there is really no reason for panic. Bezel or buzzing problems some people reported here are definitely not major ones and we have really few situations that screen is completely dead or seriously faulty on arrival. I can understand that people are extremely cautious when purchasing the monitors online. However, they are really & very well protected with the monitor warranty in case of any unfortunate event. Yes, RMA route is a pain sometimes (in NEC case is pretty much straightforward) ... and in majority of cases things will turn out nicely at the end.Deyvy said:
Regarding 20WGX2 rating ... well I personally think that it's the best 20" LCD money can buy right now (if you don't mind slight price difference). I've seen people downgrading from the new 22" TN panels and even from 24" panels to NEC, simply because of the PQ. NEC is currently fastest gaming monitor (and gamers choice) and have excellent colour quality too. If you combine the AS-IPS panel technology (and that means really great colours), exceptional gaming performance and many add-on features: 1600:1 Advanced DV dynamic contrast, OptiClear, proper 1:1 pixel mapping with very good scaler and support for all 3 modes (1:1, stretching, stretching but keep aspect ratio), excellent NEC support ... well, what more cold you wish for
Regarding design, I like it too and it's quite refreshing - and it's even more nicely matched with other components as nowadays people usually do have silver components. Somewhat, I'm bored with all that black bezel outlines around I see on the forum here that 2007FWP is major rival. It's probably second good option if you are on the budget and it's good value for money. It has nice colours and PQ, it's slower then NEC and doesn't have dynamic contrast. Also, Dell started to play panel lottery again and you may get S-PVA (although Dell is surprisingly quite about this). S-PVA does have nice colour saturation but maybe is not so optimal choice for photo editing because of the off perpendicular colour shift and doesn't have such great gaming potential as NEC. I think that NEC is probably more "modern" and advanced panel and price difference is not that substantial any more (at least in Europe).
So, yes, in my view NEC is still holding the 20" crown ... without any single shadow of doubt.