Need a soundcard upgrade from an Old Creative Soundblaster X-Fi XtremeMusic

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Hey guys, I'm really hoping some of you will be able to help me with some much needed soundcard advice please!

I've owned a Creative PCI XtremeMusic (Model SB0460) soundcard for many, many years now and can't fault it. It's easily by far the best soundcard I've ever owned and I've owned quite a lot over the past 25 years. On Monday my wife purchased me a Soundblaster Z PCI-E card as I needed a new soundcard that used the x1 PCI-E socket as a recent GPU upgrade meant I was no longer able to get access to the PCI slot on my motherboard. "No problem, the X-Fi soundcard is years old now and they must be a lot better these days" so I thought to myself! - How wrong and bitterly disappointed was I to be!!

I've now spent the past four days trying to get my new Soundblaseter Z to sound anywhere near as good as my old X-Fi XtremeMusic. I've been through all the surround sound and crystalization options, tried every known configuration on the Equalizer and individual volume controls and uninstalled and re-installed individual software components etc and yet can't get it to sound anywhere near as good as my old X-Fi card :( Even my wife could tell that the sound quality wasn't as good as that of the old card and even though she purchased the soundblaster Z for me as a present she was the one who recommended putting my old X-Fi soundcard back in - that's how bad the sound was.

I'm using a set of 5.1 surround speakers and listen to Music 90% of the time and have always used these settings:

Entertainment Mode
Speakers: 5.1 Mode
CMSS-3D: Stereo Surround 50%
X-Fi Crystalizer: 100%

Windows Tone Settings:

Bass Balance: 0.0 dB
Treble: +12.0 dB

The sound quality on the Soundblaster Z is extremely muddy and lacks any kind of clarity. The sound comes across as over-processed and extremely dull. I also wasn't aware that installing the Soundblaster software would result in losing the Windows based treble and bass functions. This only made matters worse. Even though the EQ software settings are designed to replace them there was no way I could match the clean vibrant sound I get from my X-Fi XtremeMusic.

I can't be convinced by anybody that the Soundblaster Z is a 'better' card than my old X-Fi XtremeMusic. Even if it is 'technically' better if the sound output doesn't match up then there's simply no point in having it installed in my system.

I also wanted to try connecting up my Sony Playstation to the soundcard using the Optical In port on the Soundblaster Z and connecting it to the Optical out on the Playstation. I'm using a HDMI lead on my Playstation but this passes audio to the monitor speakers and we all know monitor speakers are pretty bad. No matter what settings I tried all I got was a loud continuous distorted noise coming out of my PC speakers, even though the Playstation was configured to output audio via Optical and the settings within the Soundblaster software were set to Max and wern't muted. I tried 2 different optical cables and rebooted both my PC and Playstation many times but it made my difference. I also checked to make sure the red light was visible on the end of the optical cable when plugged in etc.

To cut to the chase, can you guys recommend a soundcard that gives equal or better audio quality to the X-Fi XtremeMusic? I listen mostly to music, I need 5.1 surround sound for gaming and in an ideal world an Optical In port would be useful but isn't crucial. I don't mind spending more or buying a different brand of soundcard, I just want the sound to be an improvement or considered an upgrade over the X-Fi XtremeMusic otherwise there's no point.

Is there an X-Fi card out there that uses the x1 PCI-E port that somehow sounds better than the X-Fi XtremeMusic or do all X-Fi's cards generally sound the same????

I'm really hoping that some of you that are reading this may have once owned a Soundblaster X-Fi card and have found something you consider to be better and use it to playback mostly music rather than for movies or in-game surround sound effects etc.

Big thanks to anyone that can offer some advice and thanks for reading through my lengthy post, your views are important and I look forward to hearing form you guys :)
 
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CMSS-3D: Stereo Surround 50%
X-Fi Crystalizer: 100%

Windows Tone Settings:

Bass Balance: 0.0 dB
Treble: +12.0 dB
That's some really heavy processing you've been listening to.
Already CMSS hammers sound with rather big sledge.

So it isn't exactly wonder if you can't get out similar sound from SB Z.
Really doubt you could get similar amount of processing from any current card.


Is there an X-Fi card out there that uses the x1 PCI-E port that somehow sounds better than the X-Fi XtremeMusic or do all X-Fi's cards generally sound the same????
Everything with same processing sounds the same for same content.
X-Fi Titanium cards are/were PCI-e versions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_X-Fi#X-Fi_line-up
(Titanium HD supports only two analog output channels)

Also Audigy RX has CMSS-3D and those environment processings, but there aren't much of reviews of it.
(really not well fitting model for its price)


I also wanted to try connecting up my Sony Playstation to the soundcard using the Optical In port on the Soundblaster Z and connecting it to the Optical out on the Playstation. I'm using a HDMI lead on my Playstation but this passes audio to the monitor speakers and we all know monitor speakers are pretty bad. No matter what settings I tried all I got was a loud continuous distorted noise coming out of my PC speakers
Playstation likely outputs DD5.1 which would need DD decoding from sound card for that input.
That's something which might be really hard to find from sound card.
Usually optical in is used for stereo PCM.
 
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Hey guys, I'm really hoping some of you will be able to help me with some much needed soundcard advice please!

I've owned a Creative PCI XtremeMusic (Model SB0460) soundcard for many, many years now and can't fault it. It's easily by far the best soundcard I've ever owned and I've owned quite a lot over the past 25 years. On Monday my wife purchased me a Soundblaster Z PCI-E card as I needed a new soundcard that used the x1 PCI-E socket as a recent GPU upgrade meant I was no longer able to get access to the PCI slot on my motherboard. "No problem, the X-Fi soundcard is years old now and they must be a lot better these days" so I thought to myself! - How wrong and bitterly disappointed was I to be!!

I've now spent the past four days trying to get my new Soundblaseter Z to sound anywhere near as good as my old X-Fi XtremeMusic. I've been through all the surround sound and crystalization options, tried every known configuration on the Equalizer and individual volume controls and uninstalled and re-installed individual software components etc and yet can't get it to sound anywhere near as good as my old X-Fi card :( Even my wife could tell that the sound quality wasn't as good as that of the old card and even though she purchased the soundblaster Z for me as a present she was the one who recommended putting my old X-Fi soundcard back in - that's how bad the sound was.

I'm using a set of Logitech 5.1 surround speakers that I've had for years and like the X-Fi I've never had a reason to consider changing them as I'm happy with them. I listen to Music 90% of the time and have always used these settings:

Entertainment Mode
Speakers: 5.1 Mode
CMSS-3D: Stereo Surround 50%
X-Fi Crystalizer: 100%

Windows Tone Settings:

Bass Balance: 0.0 dB
Treble: +12.0 dB

The sound quality on the Soundblaster Z is extremely muddy and lacks any kind of clarity. The sound comes across as over-processed and extremely dull. I also wasn't aware that installing the Soundblaster software would result in losing the Windows based treble and bass functions. This only made matters worse. Even though the EQ software settings are designed to replace them there was no way I could match the clean vibrant sound I get from my X-Fi XtremeMusic.

I can't be convinced by anybody that the Soundblaster Z is a 'better' card than my old X-Fi XtremeMusic. Even if it is 'technically' better if the sound output doesn't match up then there's simply no point in having it installed in my system.

I also wanted to try connecting up my Sony Playstation to the soundcard using the Optical In port on the Soundblaster Z and connecting it to the Optical out on the Playstation. I'm using a HDMI lead on my Playstation but this passes audio to the monitor speakers and we all know monitor speakers are pretty bad. No matter what settings I tried all I got was a loud continuous distorted noise coming out of my PC speakers, even though the Playstation was configured to output audio via Optical and the settings within the Soundblaster software were set to Max and wern't muted. I tried 2 different optical cables and rebooted both my PC and Playstation many times but it made my difference. I also checked to make sure the red light was visible on the end of the optical cable when plugged in etc.

To cut to the chase, can you guys recommend a soundcard that gives equal or better audio quality to the X-Fi XtremeMusic? I listen mostly to music, I need 5.1 surround sound for gaming and in an ideal world an Optical In port would be useful but isn't crucial. I don't mind spending more or buying a different brand of soundcard, I just want the sound to be an improvement or considered an upgrade over the X-Fi XtremeMusic otherwise there's no point.

Is there an X-Fi card out there that uses the x1 PCI-E port that somehow sounds better than the X-Fi XtremeMusic or do all X-Fi's cards generally sound the same????

I'm really hoping that some of you that are reading this may have once owned a Soundblaster X-Fi card and have found something you consider to be better and use it to playback mostly music rather than for movies or in-game surround sound effects etc.

Big thanks to anyone that can offer some advice and thanks for reading through my lengthy post, your views are important and I look forward to hearing form you guys :)

Seems like you must be using some truly horrid speakers which are not even worthy of a soundcard, otherwise that overprocessed treble saturated sound would make you vomit. Upgrade your speakers.
 
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Already CMSS hammers sound with rather big sledge.

CMSS-3D tends to make sound quite bright with artificial separation wouldn't want to listen to music via it personally but if you get used to it anything else will sound muddy in comparison.
 
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Seems like you must be using some truly horrid speakers which are not even worthy of a soundcard, otherwise that overprocessed treble saturated sound would make you vomit. Upgrade your speakers.
Indeed for music good stereo speaker set would be lot better than some small satellite speakers of standard surround gaming sets.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys, I'm now currently using 2 sets of Roth Audio OLI RA1 bookshelf speakers that I used to use downstairs on my HC setup that are awesome so don't need to change them (https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91M1rHnOjyL._SL1500_.jpg) so was hoping that someone could offer some advice on a soundcard that's dedicated to Music rather than specialising in offering gaming & movie effects etc. I guess the sound I'm used to is quite 'bright' with a lot of top end treble with not too much bass, simply because the whole house shakes with my speakers and subwoofer if I have it on anything above 0dB :) Thanks again
 
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I had the same experience 3 years ago in this thread. In the end, after a few soundcards - which include two Sound Blaster Z's, because the I thought the first one was so poor it must have been faulty - I have settled down rather comfortably with my X-Fi Titanium. Which was lucky, because a few months later my motherboard which supports both PCI and PCI-E died and the most sensible upgrade was to a PCI-E motherboard.

I have been tempted to try the Sound Blasterx AE-5, but I'm worried that it will either sound just as bad or worse than my X-Fi Titanium. And the AE-5 isn't exactly cheap with unstable software and/or drivers to match.
 
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Cheers Darael for the reply and pleased someone else out there agrees that the Sound Blaster Z is a major disappointment in terms of sound quality. I'd also recently looked at the Sound Blasterx AE-5 but at £150 notes it's a lot to take a gamble on. If they decide to release a version without all the case lighting for half the price then I'll cosider it then. Disappointed that there isn't a stripped down OEM version out there, maybe in time 'eh!
 
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Cheers Darael for the reply and pleased someone else out there agrees that the Sound Blaster Z is a major disappointment in terms of sound quality. I'd also recently looked at the Sound Blasterx AE-5 but at £150 notes it's a lot to take a gamble on. If they decide to release a version without all the case lighting for half the price then I'll cosider it then. Disappointed that there isn't a stripped down OEM version out there, maybe in time 'eh!
If you do buy it for me, let me know and let me know your thoughts on it. If I buy one before you and remember about this thread, I'll be sure to share my thoughts.
 
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