Need Help, GTX460 not sure if i'm happy

Kelt · 27 Jul 2010 at 00:03

Meaker said:
Ok well it depends on the game.

In crysis warhead it needs 930mhz or so to start matching the 5850 (still a little behind) but thats still behind a stock 1GB card.

In battleforge the 756mb and 1GB are closely matched.

In BF bad company it needs that 930mhz again to get close to the 5850 and is close to the 1GB model at 840mhz.

Ofc if you properly overclock an HD5850 it will wave goodbye to the 460.

Trouble is getting hold of a reference voltage tweakable 5850 though. Also they're around £230+ when available, so a sizeable (£43) chunk more. Which for me (plus Physx), swings it for the 460.

darren.head · 27 Jul 2010 at 00:28

I just run it with system in sig

thats with a GTX 260
seems like it like quads, q9450 @stock

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 11:45

Loking like it's my processor holding me back then, if a GTX260 can give almost the exact same results that's the only logical explination i can think of right now.

So Q6600 here i come next week

MeatLoaf · 27 Jul 2010 at 11:49

darren.head said:
I just run it with system in sig

thats with a GTX 260
seems like it like quads, q9450 @stock

How did you get the screenie, i tried the printscreen thing and it didnt work

MeatLoaf · 27 Jul 2010 at 11:51

J-I-M said:
Loking like it's my processor holding me back then, if a GTX260 can give almost the exact same results that's the only logical explination i can think of right now.

So Q6600 here i come next week

Could be did you get a 768Mb or 1Gb GTX460?

darren.head · 27 Jul 2010 at 12:05

I used fraps

And just for comparison, here's my vantage result as per your settings with Q9450 @stock

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:21

darren.head said:
I used fraps

And just for comparison, here's my vantage result as per your settings with Q9450 @stock

I see well my CPU score is pretty much the same (except mines overclocked to quite just under 4ghz so that says a lot right there if yours is at stock)

Same rough GPU score, so it's more and more leaning towards the processor

I bought the MSI GTX 460 M2D768 for £155

Edit: I'd also like to add if i add max AA on JC2 benchmark my FPS only drops by about 8 or so, if i put it on 2 or 4 it drops by 1-2 fps at most, which also more indicates that the GPU is performing, just not it's full potential due to a holdback.

Marine-RX179 · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:28

J-I-M said:
Edit: I'd also like to add if i add max AA on JC2 benchmark my FPS only drops by about 8 or so, if i put it on 2 or 4 it drops by 1-2 fps at most, which also more indicates that the GPU is performing, just not it's full potential due to a holdback.

Just bare in mind that 4XAA should be the max AA you use for semi-demanding and demanding games. Realistically most people will never use more than 4XAA for gaming (unless they got dual high end GPU card(s)), unless it is non-demanding games which they get frame rate in the hundreds such as source games.

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:36

Marine-RX179 said:
Just bare in mind that 4XAA should be the max AA you use for semi-demanding and demanding games. Realistically most people will never use more than 4XAA for gaming (unless they got dual high end GPU card(s)), unless it is non-demanding games which they get frame rate in the hundreds such as source games.

Indeed so with a drop of like 1-2 fps with AA surely that's indicating the GPU performing just has a set back? The ram i'm currently using is abit crap i'll admit untill i get my geils back, but other than the ram the only thing i can think of is the cpu.

The FPS also IS there when i play APB, if i run around i'm hitting 61 fps, it's as soon as i hop in a car or for say start combat that's when it drops down to 27-38 ish so something's going to be wrong along the lines as the GPU at stock or overclocked is trying to perform but seems to get jammed as soon as load comes along.

Edit: Sorry for the consistancy of the questions i just want to boil down the problem so i can rid of it and enjoy me evenings.

Marine-RX179 · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:42

J-I-M said:
The FPS also IS there when i play APB, if i run around i'm hitting 61 fps, it's as soon as i hop in a car or for say start combat that's when it drops down to 27-38 ish so something's going to be wrong along the lines as the GPU at stock or overclocked is trying to perform but seems to get jammed as soon as load comes along.

That sounds more like the CPU not delivering enough to make GTX460 performance to its best capability...

Have you checked the APB forums (assume there's one) to see if the game actually written to use more than two cores, so that it would benefit from a Quad CPU?

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:47

Marine-RX179 said:
That sounds more like the CPU not delivering enough to make GTX460 performance to it best capability...

Have you checked the APB forums (assume there's one) to see if the game actually written to use more than two cores, so that it would benefit from a Quad CPU?

I have indeed and the forums are saying it supports quad core (APB Uses UT3 engine if that's any help) So i'm having a wild guess that upgrading to a quad seems the way?

Marine-RX179 · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:53

J-I-M said:
I have indeed and the forums are saying it supports quad core (APB Uses UT3 engine if that's any help) So i'm having a wild guess that upgrading to a quad seems the way?

I would imagine a moderate overclocked Quad core CPU such as Q6600 overclocked from stock 2.4GHz to 3.0GHz+ will remove any bottleneck the CPU has on the GTX460 in any games that support Quad.

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:55

Fantastic that'll do me then, now i need to find a cheap 2nd hand Q6600

Thanks a lot for the help Marine, Keltic and the rest who have helpped knuckle my issue down, +1 all of you.

jigger · 27 Jul 2010 at 13:59

You could try a wolfdale. Its likely the bottleneck is down to the amount to on chip cache rather than number of cores.

Marine-RX179 · 27 Jul 2010 at 14:01

J-I-M said:
Fantastic that'll do me then, now i need to find a cheap 2nd hand Q6600

One thing you need to bare in mind is that for older games that only using 2 cores or less, a Q6600 at 3.0GHz would probably deliver lower frame rate than your E5400 at 4.0GHz, so ideally you should aim to overclock the Q6600 to 3.6GHz ish, if your motherboard is capable.

J-I-M · 27 Jul 2010 at 14:13

Marine-RX179 said:
One thing you need to bare in mind is that for older games that only using 2 cores or less, a Q6600 at 3.0GHz would probably deliver lower frame rate than your E5400 at 4.0GHz, so ideally you should aim to overclock the Q6600 to 3.6GHz ish, if your motherboard is capable.

I rarely play older games, i'm more into today's mmo's that support newer cpu's, however i'd push the Q6600 as far as i could possibly get it to, ideally along the lines from anywhere to 3.4 to 3.8 (what with each processor differing from one to another)

The Slacr version of the Q6600 is the the known better OC'er i believe? they seem to vary from £99+ 2nd hand which seems abit sky high for an old-ish chip though.

skotish| · 27 Jul 2010 at 14:18

J-I-M said:
I rarely play older games, i'm more into today's mmo's that support newer cpu's, however i'd push the Q6600 as far as i could possibly get it to, ideally along the lines from anywhere to 3.4 to 3.8 (what with each processor differing from one to another)

The Slacr version of the Q6600 is the the known better OC'er i believe? they seem to vary from £99+ 2nd hand which seems abit sky high for an old-ish chip though.

They are still sought after chips m8 so round about that price I would try getting him down too £80

Marine-RX179 · 27 Jul 2010 at 14:37

J-I-M said:
The Slacr version of the Q6600 is the the known better OC'er i believe? they seem to vary from £99+ 2nd hand which seems abit sky high for an old-ish chip though.

No, they tend to go for £70~£80 2nd hand. Only the ones with low VID would likely to get sold at £90+

codenamew · 29 Jul 2010 at 19:24

hi. i just bought a gigabyte gtx460 1gb oc edition. I oc'ed it to 840/1680/3800 with voltage at 0.987V. when i run the kombuster for stability test, my comp seems lag. but it shows no sign of crash or error. i'm using e8400 with stock setting. any problems with it?

J.D · 29 Jul 2010 at 21:20

codenamew said:
hi. i just bought a gigabyte gtx460 1gb oc edition. I oc'ed it to 840/1680/3800 with voltage at 0.987V. when i run the kombuster for stability test, my comp seems lag. but it shows no sign of crash or error. i'm using e8400 with stock setting. any problems with it?

Read this whole thread and if you've still got questions then ask again. I'm only saying this as the answer is here by members input.

Good luck.