need help guys with a cpu!

ollie2k13 · 2 Nov 2013 at 02:52

hey guys,
i want a cpu for my new build with 4-6cores and 6-8 threads but i dont wanna be overclocking my cpu..can anyone give me some advice on a cpu to get..also is it still work getting a i7 k series if i would not be overclocking?

Bart_Hunt · 2 Nov 2013 at 03:10

Whats the rest of your system and what do you need this pc for?

Threepwood · 2 Nov 2013 at 03:14

ollie2k13 said:
..also is it still work getting a i7 k series if i would not be overclocking?

Apart from higher resale value or being able to overclock in the future if you change your mind... I cannot think of a reason to get a K chip if you're not going to overclock no.

ollie2k13 · 2 Nov 2013 at 03:21

Bart_Hunt said:
Whats the rest of your system and what do you need this pc for?

just solid bulletproof long hour gaming.. here is my rig spec

MSI GeForce GTX 780 Lightning 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Intel Core i7-4771 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail
Asus Z87 SABERTOOTH Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic
Corsair RM Series RM 650 '80+ Gold' 650W Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
BitFenix Ronin Tower Case - Black
Kingston HyperX NA'VI 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit **OcUK Exclusive*
Prolimatech Black Megahalems CPU Cooler
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM
Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic
Phanteks PH-F120S 120mm Fan - Black/White x2

i will be overclocking the gtx card in its normal bios, will not be pushing voltages, what do you guys think of the rig anything you would change?

BurntProc · 3 Nov 2013 at 00:50

ollie2k13 said:
just solid bulletproof long hour gaming.. here is my rig spec

MSI GeForce GTX 780 Lightning 3072MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
Intel Core i7-4771 3.50GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor - Retail
Asus Z87 SABERTOOTH Intel Z87 (Socket 1150) DDR3 ATX Motherboard Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic
Corsair RM Series RM 650 '80+ Gold' 650W Power Supply
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-Bit
BitFenix Ronin Tower Case - Black
Kingston HyperX NA'VI 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Kit **OcUK Exclusive*
Prolimatech Black Megahalems CPU Cooler
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM
Samsung 250GB SSD 840 EVO SATA 6Gb/s Basic
Phanteks PH-F120S 120mm Fan - Black/White x2

i will be overclocking the gtx card in its normal bios, will not be pushing voltages, what do you guys think of the rig anything you would change?

There's no point having a badass overclocking motherboard + heatsink if you wont overclock at all - the sabertooth is pretty overkill even if you do. Just swap the CPU for the k-edition and then if you want to OC at some point you at least have the option.

Maybe swap the samsung evo SSDs for 840 pros?

alex_123_fra · 3 Nov 2013 at 01:39

BurntProc said:
There's no point having a badass overclocking motherboard + heatsink if you wont overclock at all - the sabertooth is pretty overkill even if you do. Just swap the CPU for the k-edition and then if you want to OC at some point you at least have the option.

Maybe swap the samsung evo SSDs for 840 pros?

This. I don't really see the point of not getting a k chip. Overclocking is quite easy these days and the k chips don't cost loads more over non k variants.

ALXAndy · 3 Nov 2013 at 08:37

Might be worth looking at the AMD Centurion. It comes clocked really high out of the box.

The issue with locked CPUs is that they don't come clocked high enough. This can end up retiring a perfectly good CPU because you can't give it a shove later.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-361-AM

And

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-350-GI

And a refurb h100

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-021-CS

Or H80

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS-022-CS

Now before any one throws a fit...

That CPU comes with a clock speed pretty much the same as an overclocked AMD. Yes you're paying for it in ways, but it's worth it.

I bought a Xeon E3 1220 for £145 and it lasted 11 months before Crysis 3 retired it. Really not a good idea with games crying out for cores and clock speed now.

Panos · 3 Nov 2013 at 09:32

ollie2k13, I would agree with ALXAndy, but get a different board.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-559-AS&tool=3

I have a UD3 rev 1 since 2011 (with latest BIOS), and hasn't left me with such a good opinion to advice someone else to get it.

As for not overclocking, my FX8350@5G performs like a dream, and nowadays you can use AMD overdrive to do the overclocking from Windows with AMD safely managing any adventurous settings.

Also get windows 8 (8.1). Apparently they are better for gaming, even if annoying as OS.

Martini1991 · 3 Nov 2013 at 09:37

Because Asus boards have auto overclocking profiles, could just get a 4770K, then set it to 4.4GHZ with CPU level up and then forget about it.

Spudbrains · 3 Nov 2013 at 09:45

You could go with an Intel Xeon E3-1230V3. It's a 4770 without the in-built graphics chip and is a fair bit cheaper and runs a little cooler than its i7 counterpart. That is if you REALLY don't want to overclock.

ALXAndy · 3 Nov 2013 at 09:59

Panos said:
ollie2k13, I would agree with ALXAndy, but get a different board.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-559-AS&tool=3

I have a UD3 rev 1 since 2011 (with latest BIOS), and hasn't left me with such a good opinion to advice someone else to get it.

As for not overclocking, my FX8350@5G performs like a dream, and nowadays you can use AMD overdrive to do the overclocking from Windows with AMD safely managing any adventurous settings.

Also get windows 8 (8.1). Apparently they are better for gaming, even if annoying as OS.

Yeah I've heard there are issues with the UD3. Figured they'd have it sorted now, but there are plenty of great 990 8+2 boards around the £100 mark.

Obviously the Sabertooth and CHVFZ go without saying. But yeah, AMD offer the highest clocks out of the box which is important (if we use Alex's BF4 benchmarks for example).

The Xeon 4770 'a like' might also be an option, but it needs to have plenty of raw clock speed.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-347-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

Should be more than good enough.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/zardon/amd-fx9590-5ghz-review-w-gigabyte-990fxa-ud5/

Was used there with the 9590 for review.

Spudbrains · 3 Nov 2013 at 10:08

I've got the Xeon I mentioned in my current rig. It has a base clock of 3.3Ghz and a boost clock of 3.7Ghz. This is still more powerful than a stock FX-8350, which, at that speed was compared to a 2600k at 2.5Ghz (Don't quote me on that, I can't remember where I read it, but I did). Why I went with it, along with the power savings.

Panos · 3 Nov 2013 at 11:09

You compare items that are not on the same price level.

A 4770 makes more sense than a 2600K but both are twice as much than a FX8350 for +20% (4770) or same (2600K) the performance. (still the FX has 8 cores)

If money wasn't an issue, I would propose a 4930K. But that is twice as much as a 4770 for ~20% the perfomance.

Spudbrains · 3 Nov 2013 at 11:47

This is an example of a game that can take full advantage of the FX-8350's 8 'cores'. A game that only uses 1-4 is where you'd find that an FX-8350 doesn't perform so well. Indie games for instance, I'm sure that in a test between the FX-8350 and a 3570k the FPS was almost doubled on the 3570k (If I remember rightly) as the IPC just isn't as high on the FX-8350.

If you are on quite a tight budget, you can get an FX-8350 and motherboard for as little as £180, (If you're on a really tight budget you could get an 8320 for £25-ish less if I remember right). However, if you are on less of a price restraint I'd go for an Xeon E3-1230V3 ESPECIALLY if you don't want to overclock.

ollie2k13 · 3 Nov 2013 at 14:50

Panos said:
You compare items that are not on the same price level.

A 4770 makes more sense than a 2600K but both are twice as much than a FX8350 for +20% (4770) or same (2600K) the performance. (still the FX has 8 cores)

If money wasn't an issue, I would propose a 4930K. But that is twice as much as a 4770 for ~20% the perfomance.

from your grid of CPU's a i7 4770k is second from top ~ 3.5ghz, so why dont i just buy a i7 4771 @ 3.5ghz which is surely just the same but a little cheaper

ollie2k13 · 3 Nov 2013 at 14:52

Martini1991 said:
Because Asus boards have auto overclocking profiles, could just get a 4770K, then set it to 4.4GHZ with CPU level up and then forget about it.

so there is a overclock button on the board, i might aswell buy a highend motherboard then with the i7 4770k and just crank it up to 4ghz+ right?

Spudbrains · 3 Nov 2013 at 15:04

It's not 100% insured to work, if you're happy to do that though and it's within your budget etc, go for it.

pastymuncher · 3 Nov 2013 at 15:04

Most boards have some form of auto overclocking feature. I don't see any point in these expensive boards for Haswell as the cpu itself is the limiting factor, not the options in the bios. If you will never be running dual graphics cards the Gigabyte Z87-D3HP is a good choice plus it comes with a free decent cooler.

ollie2k13 · 3 Nov 2013 at 15:14

just say if i go for the i7 4771 because i really cant be bothered to overclock for just 10fps+ if not less increase, would the standard i7 4771 @ 3.50ghz be bottlenecking my GPU card msi 780 lightning which will be overclocked?

Spudbrains · 3 Nov 2013 at 15:22

Definitely not. Pretty good combo actually.