Need help on CPU

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Hi all,
I have been playing on an old PC handed down to me which has:
CPU - Intel i5-3570k
GPU - GTX 1070
RAM - 16GB DDR3
Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H
Power Supply - Unsure which one but outputs either 650 or 750 watts (will check if necessary in future)

I wanted to get a better CPU but I am conscious that I may need to buy new other parts (e.g. powers supply, ram or motherboard)
I also heard that my CPU is a good one to overclock and was wondering if it was a better idea or to get a new one as well as some other parts instead. (and if to overclock, how to do it.)
Thanks
 
Tetras said:
What kind of games are you playing and which ones are running too slow for you?

What resolution do you play at?

Do you have a budget for the upgrade?
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I mainly play Valorant which happens to be CPU heavy which costs me some decent frames. I also play some minecraft which is also quite CPU heavy.
I play at 1920 x 1080 180hz
My budget is somewhere between £200-£250 and i can go a bit above or below.
 
Tetras said:
Can't Valorant run on a potato?

There's a video here:

www.youtube.com

Intel Core i3 10100 vs i5 3570 | 10th gen i3 vs 3rd gen i5

Intel Core i3 10100 vs i5 3570 | 10th gen i3 vs 3rd gen i5______/More Comparison Videos\________ I3 2120 vs I5 2400 ► https://youtu.be/QChrYuKZmDki5 3470 vs ...
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It seems to gain lots of fps between a i5-3570 and i3-10100 (on low settings), which suggests it is single-thread oriented and doesn't care that much about the GPU (since they're using a 1650 which is slower than your card)?

In a high-fps game like Siege, the 12100 is faster still (than the 10100), so my guess is that this would be an even bigger increase, though higher than your budget:

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Intel I3 12100 with Laminar RM1 12100 vs 10100 vs 10400 vs 11400 with DDR4 3600 and 3060 Ti

Left --- I3 10100Middle Left --- I5 10400Middle Right --- I3 12100Right --- I5 11400---------12100 is cpu similar to 10400. Similar multicore a...
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My basket at OcUK:

Total: £290.96 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

The 12100F is cheaper, but has no integrated graphics.
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Thanks for the help, I will most likely buy these then. If my power supply is 650 watts will it still be able to support this?
And also what is the difference between my 16gb DDR3 and the new 16GB DDR4?
Will getting the i3-12100F affect my performance since I already have a graphics card?
 
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Tetras said:
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Tetras said:
Shouldn't be any meaningful difference to your power supply from any of those options. You will likely need an 8 pin EPS12v cable, but I assume your PSU has one of those.



I'm afraid there's no benefit to buying 16GB when you already have 16GB, aside from it being faster. I was already over budget, so 32GB wasn't possible. You could buy a H610 board, then buy 32GB with the £30-£40 saved. You might lose an M.2 slot, 2 RAM slots and WIFI.



Relative to the 12100? No, they're otherwise identical.
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What do you think I should do,
I would like whatever setup provides the best performance.
 
Tetras said:
It is hard for me to answer confidently, because of two reasons:
1. Your requirements are based on one game (well, two, if I include Minecraft), which I only have a few YouTube videos to judge the potential improvements from.
2. My assumption is that you're looking for maximum-fps (since you have a 1080p, high refresh monitor and these games should already run on your PC), which is not my forte.

So, from the videos, my best guess is that you are more CPU-bottlenecked than GPU-bottlenecked and that those games need single-thread performance more than multi-thread performance.

An i3-12100 / 12100F with 3200 (or higher) memory is a big upgrade in single-thread performance (see here) and should give you a decent boost, whenever you're CPU bottlenecked.

Worst case, if I'm wrong: you don't notice any benefit in your current games, but you have a CPU that can handle any new game and a GPU upgrade.
Best case, if I'm right: you have mega top-end FPS and frag everybody aided by your 500 FPS.

in regards to: H610 or B660 and 16GB v 32GB.

The memory first: I would not buy 16GB from 16GB, for two reasons: 1. games are starting to use more than 16GB and 2. 8GB sticks of DDR4 are liable to be high density (16Gbit) and you suffer a performance penalty for this.
The board: I would buy the B660 board, because you get 4 ram slots, 2 m.2 slots and wifi. H610 is a big compromise and for the small saving, I don't think it is worth it. That said, would I choose 16GB and B660 over 32GB and H610? No. I would not, I'd get the 32GB.
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Just to confirm,
I’m buying the:
i3-12100F
B660 board
32GB ram
But on the link to the ram you sent me previously it says 2 sticks of 8GB - total of 16GB, is this an error or am I reading something wrong.
 
I can up my budget a bit more actually.
Would it be possible to get a better CPU?
For example I heard that Ryzen CPU’s are generally better for gaming than Intel. Would there be a better, slightly more expensive package (motherboard and cpu) that would be better?
My friend suggested a Ryzen 5….?
 
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mickyflinn said:
It about getting the best for your budget wether that be intel or AMD so what's your budget ?

You should also consider getting a m2 drive to take advantage of the latest tech, do you have an SSD?
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I can go around £300 now and can get better tech second hand with still decent quality from other websites. I have an SSD
 
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At the moment I might stick to the i5-12400F, as well as the mobo and ram suggested by @Tetras previously. Is this a decent pick, and is there anyone who has used these that can tell me roughly what fps you got in different games?
CPU - i5 12400F
Mobo - Gigabyte B660 DS3H AX
Ram - 16GB DDR4
Would anyone else suggest something else or should I use this?
 
Thanks, I think I will get these then. I will be playing games like Siege or Apex for example when I get this.
Thanks for the help.
If I have anymore questions I'll post them on here
 
mickyflinn said:
AMD 5600 build has 32gb of memory for the same money as the 12400f build with 16gb of memory .

Something to be considered.
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Are you suggesting I get the AMD build instead?
I have already bought and received 16GB DDR4 3200mhz RAM if that's what you are referring to.
If it's something to do with the CPU please explain if this will give me more FPS, whatever game.
What Mobo should I get if I choose to get the 5600, and is it worth paying slightly more for a tiny improvement in the 5600X?
 
So I already have 16GB ram DDR4 3200mhz, not 32GB.
Should I get the more expensive intel combo or cheaper Ryzen combo.
I could also used the extra money if i buy the Ryzen for a new PC case for example. I have a really old one that has horrible ventilation.
 
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mickyflinn said:
For me I would get the AMD 5600 and the money saved can be spent on a case.
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Yeah same, but I found the 5600X for £13 more, is it worth the extra money and can it be OC?
Or is it just better to OC 5600?
What's also the best budget case for the B550M? I don't want to be spending too much money on it.
 
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Corsair TX550M, turns out I only have 550 watts. Is this enough? And is this enough for the future, I might want to upgrade my GPU in the future. It was ordered in November 2020.
 
My CPU and motherboard should arrive today but I have some questions.
Will all of the cables I need for the motherboard come with it? For example the USB 3 cable or audio cable, do those come with the motherboard or could I just be able to re-use the ones I already have in my current older mobo, or will I need to buy some new ones?
Also, I'm planning on buying a new case soon, I have the msi b550m pro-vdh wifi mobo which is M-ATX, I would like to get a case that will fit this, but will also fit a larger GPU which I am also planning on upgrading soon. Any cases that aren't too expensive with prebuilt fans? RGB or not, just a budget one.
 
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